What causes orbits to change over time?

In summary: Yes, if the asteroid was large enough and if it hit the moon at the right angle. It really depends on the size and configuration of the asteroid.
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Algren
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There are two examples: A planet rotating around a star and a spacecraft maneuvering through space. Let's assume that solar radiation has no affect on the spacecraft and the spacecraft is not bumping into any stuff, and niether is the planet; and no other gravitational sources are involved. What are the other things which could cause the orbit to change its shape and energy?
 
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In the case of the rocket it only has to fire up it's engine to get a change of orbit.
For the planet though, changes of orbit are largely due to gravitational interactions with other large bodies, and I can't think of anything else that would have a similar result.
 
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Algren said:
There are two examples: A planet rotating around a star and a spacecraft maneuvering through space. Let's assume that solar radiation has no affect on the spacecraft and the spacecraft is not bumping into any stuff, and niether is the planet; and no other gravitational sources are involved. What are the other things which could cause the orbit to change its shape and energy?

Gravitational interaction of the planet with the star can change its orbit over time. Other than that, I can't think of anything. You've essentially said that no other forces are involved, and without other forces there can't be a change in the orbit.
 
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Drakkith said:
Gravitational interaction of the planet with the star can change its orbit over time.
What is this called?
 
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Algren said:
What is this called?
Tidal acceleration.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Tidal acceleration.
Ahh, so it seems all orbits have a tendency to proceed to an orbit which is tidally locked. Alright, thanks.
 
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What force is pushing the Moon's orbit away from the Earth? Will the Earth eventually lose the Moon?
 
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The mass of the star decreases over time through fusion reactions and so the planet's orbit must necessarily change.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Tidal acceleration.
My guess is Drakkith was referring to precession via General Relativity.
 
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Gravity waves will radiate energy away.
An oblate spheroid shape to the star will cause an orbit that is inclined to the star's rotational axis to precess.
Frame dragging.

If solar radiation counts:
Yarkovsky effect -- re-radiate solar radiation, but in a preferred direction.
Poynting-Robertson effect -- planet bashing into photons similar to driving in rain. More raindrops hit the windshield than the back window. (although this is from solar radiation.)
 
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Alltimegreat1 said:
What force is pushing the Moon's orbit away from the Earth? Will the Earth eventually lose the Moon?
It is caused by a transfer of angular momentum from the Earth to the Moon. The Moon raises tidal bulges on the Earth. Due to friction, the Earth's rotation drags these bulges out of alignment with the Moon. Think of this way, the Earth tries to make the bulges rotate with it, while the Moon tries to keep them in line with itself and you end up with a compromise where the bulges don't quite line up with the Moon. The the resulting gravitational pull of the bulges now tend to pull the Moon forward in its orbit, which in turn causes the Moon to lift to a higher orbit. At the same time, Earth's rotation slows down a bit.

The Earth can't lose the Moon by this process because eventually a time would come when the Earth's rotational period and the Moon's orbital period will be the same and once that happens the mechanism that increases the Moon's orbit will go away. (Also most estimates indicate that before even this happens, our Sun will have expanded into a Red Giant and could envelop both the Earth and Moon.

This process can work the other way too. If the Moon either orbited faster than the Earth rotated or orbited in the opposite direction, then it's orbit would shrink rather than grow. The Mars moon Phobos is an example of this, its orbits Mars in less time than it takes for Mars to rotate and is slowly being pulled into a lower and lower orbit.
 
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Will this send Phobos crashing into Mars?
 
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Yes I think that is what is generally concluded, unless something external to the Mars and it's moon system radically shakes thing up gravitationally.
Nearby passage of a large asteroid?
 
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rootone said:
Yes I think that is what is generally concluded, unless something external to the Mars and it's moon system radically shakes thing up gravitationally.
Nearby passage of a large asteroid?
The other possible result is that it will be torn apart and form a ring. It all depends on its structural strength. Some models suggest that it not a solid object, but more like a pile of rubble held together by a thin crust. In which case tidal forces could pull it apart when it gets close enough to Mars.
 
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And could that impact send Mars off its orbit and out of the solar system?
 
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Alltimegreat1 said:
And could that impact send Mars off its orbit and out of the solar system?
No. For one, the mass of Phobos is only 1/60,000,000 that of Mars. So even if it impacted Mars at escape velocity (5 km/sec) and you could treat this strictly as a collision, there is no way that it impart anywhere enough momentum to seriously change Mars' orbit.

But the main reason is that Mar's orbit around the Sun is really the orbit of the Mars-Phobos-Deimos barycenter, and nothing that is a result of the mutual gravitational interaction between these bodies will shift the orbit of the barycenter.
 

What causes orbits to change over time?

There are several factors that can cause orbits to change over time. These include gravitational forces from other objects, atmospheric drag, and the effects of solar radiation.

How do gravitational forces affect orbits?

Gravitational forces from other objects, such as planets or moons, can pull on an orbiting object and change its trajectory. This is known as perturbation and can cause the orbit to become more elliptical or even result in a collision with another object.

What is atmospheric drag and how does it affect orbits?

Atmospheric drag is the resistance an orbiting object experiences as it passes through the Earth's atmosphere. This resistance can cause the object's orbit to gradually decay, leading to a decrease in altitude and eventual reentry into the Earth's atmosphere.

How does solar radiation affect orbits?

Solar radiation, such as radiation pressure from the sun, can also affect orbits. This pressure can cause an object's orbit to change by either increasing or decreasing its speed, depending on the orientation of the object's surface.

Can human activities also impact orbits?

Yes, human activities can also have an impact on orbits. For example, launching satellites or spacecraft into orbit can contribute to the buildup of space debris, which can increase the risk of collisions and alter the orbits of other objects in space.

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