What causes surface tension in liquids?

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The discussion centers on the origins and nature of surface tension in liquids, exploring both theoretical and conceptual aspects. Participants examine the forces at play on the surface of liquids, the relationship between surface tension and energy, and the challenges in understanding these phenomena at a molecular level.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how surface tension, described as a force parallel to the surface, arises from the net inward force due to cohesive intermolecular forces acting on surface molecules.
  • One participant suggests that surface tension can be better understood as interfacial energy, which relates to the energy required to create an interface between different materials.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the need to understand the physical origin of the forces that create surface tension, questioning the adequacy of current explanations.
  • A participant mentions that the classic rationalization of forces may not always be correct, proposing an alternative perspective based on entropy changes related to surface area.
  • Some participants argue against the relevance of energy in explaining the origin of surface tension, while others assert that energy is fundamentally linked to the state of the system.
  • There is mention of the Young-Laplace equation and its implications for understanding pressure differences across interfaces, but the complexities of three-phase contact lines and surface stress are noted as unresolved issues.
  • A later reply challenges the explanation of surface tension as a net inward force, asserting that the interface is a continuum concept and referencing molecular dynamics simulations that complicate the understanding of the dividing surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explanations for surface tension, with multiple competing views and ongoing debates about the underlying mechanisms and definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the molecular origins of surface tension, the interpretation of forces at the interface, and the applicability of various theoretical models. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations that are not universally accepted.

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I'm [STRIKE]a little[/STRIKE] very confused about the origin of surface tension. As I understand it, surface tension is a force on the surface of a liquid which is directed parallel to the surface, correct? But the explanation of surface tension is that molecules at the surface are not covered by other molecules above them, hence there is a net force inwards due to cohesive intermolecular forces. But how does that lead to forces parallel to the surface?
 
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Surface tension (more properly called 'interfacial energy') is the name given to energy contained within a surface of discontinuity- typically a fluid-solid or fluid-fluid interface, where the concentration of the materials undergoes a discontinuous change as you cross the interface.

The energy can be thought of as the energy needed to create an interface- low interfacial energies are associated with wetting and spreading, while high interfacial energies are associated with nonwetting (often hydrophobic) interfaces.

A simple result (not simple to derive, but the result is simple to understand) is Laplace's equation- the pressure jump across a surface of discontinuity (say a drop of water in air) is given by \Delta P = 2\sigma\kappa, where \sigma is the interfacial energy and \kappa the mean curvature of the surface.

That's for the interface between two materials. When there is a three-phase contact line (say a drop of water resting on a solid surface in air), there is an additional line tension at the three-phase line. Similarly, if there is an intersection of two lines (say, neighboring drops of water and toluene resting on a surface in air), there is an energy associated with the 4-phase point. These contributions (line tension, etc) are orders of magnitude less than "surface tension", and AFAIK, barely measurable.

Some people like the model of 'unbalanced' forces on molecules, but interfacial energy is a continuum concept and thus cannot discuss molecular origins: as a simple example why using a molecular model leads to problems is the fact that at that scale, the interface itself is not precisely located in space.

In the context of the Young-Laplace equation, interfacial energies are represented as forces acting along the various interfaces to model an equilibrium condition, and this is done by representing the forces as gradients of the surface stress. This leads to a whole host of problems regarding continuity at the three-phase line, none of which has been resolved. One proposal is to require that solid-fluid interfacial energies (and the true contact angle) are not thermodynamic quantities- they cannot be measured, are not material properties, and cannot assume arbitrary values.
 
Energy might be a better way to look at surface tension, but it should still be possible to understand the physical origin of the forces that are created. And that's my problem: I don't see how they emerge.
 
Nobody else does, either. That's why people are actively researching the issue.
 
dEdt said:
... it should still be possible to understand the physical origin of the forces that are created. And that's my problem: I don't see how they emerge.


This comment is predicated on the assumption that the classic rationalisation of the concept of 'forces' is always correct, viz. that there is always something that mediates the force. It is an intuitive assumption, but personally I don't view it as self-evident.

Surface tension can be described by the rate of change of entropy with respect to a change of surface area (as the degrees of freedom of the liquid molecules is changed as they become 'surface' molecules, or vice versa).
 
dEdt said:
Energy might be a better way to look at surface tension, but it should still be possible to understand the physical origin of the forces that are created. And that's my problem: I don't see how they emerge.

Energy has nothing to do with surface tension. Origination of surface tension is only on the surface of water. This is because the molecules below attract it , develop tension in upper molecules ( under stretch) .

The molecules of atmosphere cannot balance this tension because they are far far away.
 
Sankalp Zeal said:
Energy has nothing to do with surface tension.
This is naive. Energy has everything to do with the state of everything!
 
cmb said:
This is naive. Energy has everything to do with the state of everything!

Yes , it has to ! But you just can't take energy in respect to origination of surface tension. Have you seen any text doing it ?
 
Reif, Chapter 5, Problem 15.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Nobody else does, either. That's why people are actively researching the issue.

I'm not asking anything as complicated as how the forces arise from electrons or anything. My question is a lot simpler (and a lot dumber too).

Imbalances in intermolecular forces on the surface molecules creates a net force perpendicular to the surface. So how does surface tension (which is a force parallel to the surface) come about? Maybe I'm just being stupid, but I don't see it...
 
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dEdt said:
I'm not asking anything as complicated as how the forces arise from electrons or anything. My question is a lot simpler (and a lot dumber too).

Imbalances in intermolecular forces on the surface molecules creates a net force perpendicular to the surface. So how does surface tension (which is a force parallel to the surface) come about? Maybe I'm just being stupid, but I don't see it...

I'm not sure how to interpret the phrase "Imbalances in intermolecular forces on the surface molecules". I *do* understand how to interpret a gradient of the chemical potential, which has a maximum in the direction normal to the interface. I'd have to check my texts (Slattery and Brenner both have good interfacial transport texts) and step through their derivations of the young-laplace equation. The books are at my office, tho...
 
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dEdt said:
I'm [STRIKE]a little[/STRIKE] very confused about the origin of surface tension. As I understand it, surface tension is a force on the surface of a liquid which is directed parallel to the surface, correct? But the explanation of surface tension is that molecules at the surface are not covered by other molecules above them, hence there is a net force inwards due to cohesive intermolecular forces. But how does that lead to forces parallel to the surface?

Ok, I re-read the relevant sections in Slattery's "Interfacial Transport Phenomena", and I think we went off-track.

First off, the forces appearing at a three-phase contact line are indeed tangential to the surfaces at the common line, in accordance with the notion of surface stress and momentum balance. So the actual conceptual problem arises from "the explanation of surface tension is that molecules at the surface are not covered by other molecules above them, hence there is a net force inwards due to cohesive intermolecular forces."

My response is simply that the explanation is false. The interface itself is a continuum concept (Gibbs' dividing surface), and MD simulations demonstrate the difficulty of locating a dividing surface due to diffusive transport. Brenner's "Interfacial transport processes and rheology" has a large section on the microscopic theory of interfaces (and references Ono and Kondo's volume 10 in the encyclopedia of Physics "Molecular theory of surface tension in liquids") using a statistical-mechanical approach. The section rapidly went beyond my ability to follow, so I would suggest getting Ono and Kondo's volume or Brenner's book and having a go at it.
 
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I think that makes sense, thanks a lot!
 

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