What Causes the 40 Ton Recoil in a 120mm Mortar?

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of the 40-ton recoil of a 120mm mortar, questioning whether it refers to the reaction force from gases or the force transmitted to the platform. Participants clarify that a ton is not an SI unit of force and emphasize the importance of conversion factors, particularly when discussing pounds and Newtons. The conversation also touches on the negligible variation of gravitational acceleration in this context and the application of momentum conservation laws to calculate the forces involved. Ultimately, the complexities of measuring recoil in different units and contexts are highlighted, underscoring the need for precision in terminology. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for accurate discussions about mortar mechanics.
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when it is said that the recoil of a 120mm mortar is 40 tons, which one is meant to be the recoil: the reaction force exerted from gases on the recoil mass, OR the transmitted force from recoil system to the platform or vehicle (if it is mounted on a vehicle)?

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Both, depending on context. Also, a ton is not an SI unit of force.
 
Dickfore said:
Both, depending on context. Also, a ton is not an SI unit of force.

two words: conversion factors. :P
 
tkshoe said:
two words: conversion factors. :P

two and a half words: variation of g.
 
Dickfore said:
two and a half words: variation of g.

one word: negligible :)
 
tkshoe said:
one word: negligible :)

How about on an inclined plane at \alpha = 60^{\circ}?
 
Dickfore said:
How about on an inclined plane at \alpha = 60^{\circ}?

Ok... I thought you were referring to g as gravity, and therefore variation in g would be negligible since this is not a super duper mortar. But now that you have mentioned an angle... I have no idea what you are talking about. Mind clarifying what you were referring to as "g"?

Regardless, a ton is 2000 lbs and lbs easily convert to Newtons which I assume are your desired "SI" units. Hence my, albeit somewhat snide, comment about conversion factors.
 
What is a pound a unit of?
 
recoil is 80,000 pounds force exerted on the mortar's base plate...
 
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Dickfore said:
What is a pound a unit of?

pound is a unit of force as are tons as are Newtons with Newtons being the SI unit of force. I am done now, this is going nowhere.
 
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tkshoe said:
pound is a unit of force as are tons as are Newtons with Newtons being the SI unit of force. I am done now, this is going nowhere.

Why is the amount of groceries measured in units of force?
 
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1000Kg = 1 tonne. Is a unit of mass, not force. (1pound=0.45kg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram"

For force: 1Kgf = 1g N = 9.81 N (10N). g = gravitational acceleration (constant)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_(unit)"

From momentum conservation law.
m1V1=m2V2
m1,V1-projectile mass and speed; m2,V2- mortar mass and speed
And can calculate the force that generated the movement.
40tf (40.000 Kgf) = 400KN (400,000 N)
 
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