What do waves represent in QM?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of waves in quantum mechanics (QM), specifically focusing on what the crests and troughs of these waves represent in terms of probability density and the implications of their magnitudes and signs.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the crest of a wave represents a higher probability of finding a particle at that location, while the trough indicates a lower probability.
  • Others challenge this interpretation by questioning what the magnitude of the wave represents, suggesting that there are distinctions between magnitude and polarity.
  • A participant notes that the Born rule in QM states that the magnitude of the wave function corresponds to the probability density, implying that the sign of the wave function may not affect the overall probability as long as it is consistent throughout.
  • One participant explains that in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, wave functions represent the state of the system, and the physical meaning is derived from the Born rule, which relates the wave function to the probability density of a particle's position.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of crests and troughs in relation to probability density, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the significance of magnitude versus polarity in wave functions, and the implications of wave interference on the interpretation of probability density.

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i get that the Waves represent the probability density of the object, but a wave has a crest and a trough. What does the specifically does the trough represent? what specifically does the crest represent?
 
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iScience said:
What does the specifically does the trough represent?

A low probability of finding a particle at that location.

what specifically does the crest represent?

A high(er) probability of finding a particle at that location.
 
that doesn't make sense.. if that's true... then what's the MAGNITUDE represent?..

there's magnitude, then there's polarity (ie, beyond the null point, that make up the trough and crest).
 
You referred to the "waves" as a probability density. The Born rule in QM is that the magnitude of the wave function is the probability density, so DiracPool probably assumed you meant the magnitude.

Are you referring to the sign of a wave function? One can multiply the total wave function by -1 and it will have no effect as long as one does so everywhere. The physically important aspect comes in if you have wave interference, where you can get a crest and a trough interfering to give zero magnitude. Once again, the crest and trough are interchangeable, it's their relative sign that matters.
 
In non-relativistic quantum mechanics wave functions represent the state of the system. It's the position representation of the state ket, i.e., assuming the Schrödinger picture of time evolution,
[tex]\psi(t,\vec{x})=\langle \vec{x}|\psi,t \rangle.[/tex]
The physical meaning is given by Born's rule, according to which
[tex]P_{\psi}(t,\vec{x})=|\psi(t,\vec{x})|^2[/tex]
is the probability density of the position of the particle at time [itex]t[/itex].
 

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