What Does Changing Sign in Derivatives Mean for Completely Monotone Functions?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of completely monotone functions and the implications of their derivatives changing sign. Participants are exploring the characteristics of these functions and the behavior of their successive derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the conditions under which a function and its derivatives change sign, particularly in the context of completely monotone functions. Questions are raised about the implications of these sign changes and the definitions of monotonicity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's interpretations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the behavior of derivatives for specific functions, but there is no explicit consensus on the implications of sign changes.

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There are references to specific functions and their derivatives, along with discussions about the conditions under which these derivatives maintain or change signs. Participants are also considering the implications of these behaviors in relation to the definitions of completely monotone functions.

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This is ralated to completely monotone functions. if a function and its successive derivative changes sign then what does this mean?

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Changes sign where? If a function, f, is monotone increasing then its derivative is always positive, but f may be positive for some values of x and negative for others. the second derivative then may be positive for some values of x and negative for others.
 
changes sign at every point on the domain.
if we have a function f(x)=exp(-a*x) then f'(x)=-a*exp(-a*x),
f''(x)=a^2*exp(-a*x) and so on...
similarly if we have f(x)=(a^2+x)^(-1/2) then f'(x)=(-1/2)*(a^2+x)^(-3/2)
and f''(x)(-1/2)*(-3/2)*(a^2+x)^(-5/2) and so on...
i think that if we have such kind of functions then there will be successively concave up( the slope will become steeper) and concave down( the slope will be come shallower). i want such kind of explanation.
 
As you said,
[tex]f=e^{-ax}[/tex]
[tex]f'=-ae^{-ax}[/tex] This does not change signs(a is const),its monotonous.
 
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I know that such kind of functions are completely monotone functions. but its successive derivative changes sign. and you pointed out that this does not change sign, how? the function is positive and its derivative is negative and the second derivative will agian be positive.
 
aquarian11 said:
you pointed out that this does not change sign, how?
Read again, I said [itex]\ f'[/itex] is not changing signs.

aquarian11 said:
the function is positive and its derivative is negative and the second derivative will agian be positive.

[itex]f'' \mbox{and} f' \mbox{are both having same sign for}\ a<0[/itex]
 

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