What does the slope of a semilog plot indicate?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the slope of a semilogarithmic plot, particularly in the context of an experiment involving the charging and discharging of a capacitor in an RC circuit. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and implications of plotting data on semilog paper, seeking clarity on what the slope indicates in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating the slope of a curve on semilog paper and attempts to derive its meaning, suggesting that the slope is related to the time constant of the RC circuit.
  • Another participant questions the measurement method for the slope, specifically the factor of 2.3 in the calculation, and suggests that the instructor may be looking for a more explicit derivative relationship.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the slope when plotting the equation y = ae^{bx} on semilog paper, asking what quantity the slope represents in this context.
  • It is noted that when plotting y = ae^{bx}, the vertical axis represents y values adjusted for logarithmic spacing, and the slope of ln(y) vs x is indicated to be b.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for the original poster to clarify their understanding with the instructor rather than seeking direct answers from others.
  • Another suggestion is made to plot various curves on semilog paper to observe the resulting slopes and their implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the slope and the completeness of the original poster's explanation. There is no consensus on the exact meaning of the slope in the context of the semilog plot, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the instructor's expectations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between the semilog paper and the mathematical equations being discussed may not be fully articulated, and there are indications of missing assumptions or steps in the original poster's reasoning.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and educators involved in experimental physics, particularly those working with RC circuits and data analysis using semilogarithmic plots.

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We had an experiment of charging and dicharging a capacitor in a RC circuit.Our instructor asked us to plot our data in a semilogarithmic paper.Then told us the formula of calculating the slope of such a curve.It was:
\frac {[the vertical distance between two points measured by a ruler]*2.3}{the distance of two successive ones]*[the difference of the two ponit's independent variables]}
then asked us two prove that what is this slope I did the following:
\frac{log \frac{i_{2}}{i_{1}} *ln{10}}{\Delta t}=\frac{ln{i_{2}}ln{i_{1}}}{\Delta t}
And we have ln{i} = ln{\frac{\Epsilon}{R}}-\frac{t}{RC}
So we get that the slope is -1/RC.
But the instructor says this proof is incomplete.What's the problem?Can you tell what quantity does this slope idicate?
thanks
 
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Could it be the bit where you measure with a ruler?
Why is the delta-y of the slope 2.3 times the ruler distance?

Other than that you seem to have related the slope of ln(i) vs t properly.
Unless he wants you to explicitly find the derivative?

Tips:
you can write text inside the tex box by using \text{}
you can write the natural logarithm as \ln(i_1) etc.
The upper-case epsilon in just E
 
Ok.forget my first post's mess.
I just want to know if I find the slope of the straight line in a semilog paper,what quantity does it mean.For example if I plot the formula
y=a e^{b x}
On a semilog paper and get a straight line,what will be the slope of that line?
thanks
 
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When you plot y=ae^{bx} on semi-log paper, the values on the vertical axis are not \ln(y) are they?

You are actually plotting values of y, and adjusting the spacing to account for the logarithm.

The slope of ln(y) vs x will be b... which you know.

You have not been told you are wrong exactly, but that your explanation is incomplete. - what you are missing is the relationship between the semi-log paper and this equation. (That and maybe making the relationship between the derivative and the analytic equation for a line explicit.)

Remember: this is an exercise you have been set: I am not supposed to do it for you. Ergo: I cannot just give you the answer. I have to try to guide you to the answer, from the information you give me. If you want to know exactly what your instructor means, you'll have to ask him.
 
Shyan said:
Ok.forget my first post's mess.
I just want to know if I find the slope of the straight line in a semilog paper,what quantity does it mean.For example if I plot the formula
y=a e^{b x}
On a semilog paper and get a straight line,what will be the slope of that line?
thanks
You could plot a few curves on your semilog paper, e.g., y=e0.3x, y=e0.6x and y=2e0.3x and see how these turn out.
 

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