What does this Change in Representing a Function mean?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of changing the representation of a function from ##f(x, y)## to ##f(y)##. Participants explore whether this change indicates that ##x## is treated as a constant and the significance of this representation in the context of a derivation or equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the function is initially defined as ##f(x, y)## and later appears as ##f(y)##, questioning the implications of this change.
  • One participant points out that there was no derivation provided, and the function ##f(y)## appeared as a term in an equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the omission of ##x## could mean it is fixed, does not appear as a variable, or that there is an implicit dependence on ##y##.
  • It is mentioned that the function is defined with constants ##A##, ##x_0##, and ##y_0##, leading to the conclusion that ##f## is not a functional.
  • Some participants express the view that the notation may indicate a lack of clarity or sloppiness in the writing, suggesting that ##f(x_0, y)## would be clearer.
  • There is a discussion about whether ##f(y)## implies that ##x## is fixed at a specific value, with some arguing that it is a reasonable hypothesis while others caution that it cannot be confirmed without additional context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the change in representation implies that ##x## is fixed. While some suggest it does, others argue that it remains uncertain without further context, indicating a lack of consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity surrounding the representation of the function and the potential implications of omitting variables. There are unresolved questions about the context in which the function is used and the assumptions made by the author.

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I have encountered this form of a function: ##f \left(x, y\right)##. Later throughout the discussion, the function was represented as ##f \left(y \right)##. Does this change in representation imply anything? I have been looking through the discussion if ##x## was considered constant, but it doesn't say anything.

Thank you in advance.
 
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What about the derivation that follows? Is the ##x## still omitted? Otherwise, I can't say too much without knowing the major part of the derivation.
 
There was no derivation. The function ##f\left(y \right)## simply appeared as a term on an equation after it was defined as ##f \left(x, y\right)##.
 
It is possible that the dependence of ##f## by ##x## was omitted because

1)is fixed before ...
2)doesn't appear in the equation as variable ...
3) there is an implicit dependence ##f(y(x))## so ##f## is a functional ...
 
It was defined as this:

##f \left(x, y\right) = A \left(\frac{x}{x_0}\right) \left(\frac{y_0}{y}\right)^{\frac{1}{2}}##

So, it appears as a variable in the equation, and it doesn't seem to be a functional. The variables ##A##, ##x_0## and ##y_0## are constants.
 
Ok, it is a function in two variables ##x,y##. In this case I think ##x## is fixed or not considered as variable if they write ##f(y)## ...
 
ecastro said:
I have encountered this form of a function: ##f \left(x, y\right)##. Later throughout the discussion, the function was represented as ##f \left(y \right)##. Does this change in representation imply anything? I have been looking through the discussion if ##x## was considered constant, but it doesn't say anything.

Thank you in advance.

ecastro said:
There was no derivation. The function ##f\left(y \right)## simply appeared as a term on an equation after it was defined as ##f \left(x, y\right)##.
This seems to me like the writer was being sloppy. The notation f(x, y) indicates a function of two variables. If x is held fixed at ##x_0##, then you have ##f(x_0, y)##, which is effectively a function of y alone. Clearer would be to say that ##f(x_0, y) = g(y)##, so as to not reuse f now appearing as a function of a single variable.
 
Mark44 said:
This seems to me like the writer was being sloppy.

I think so too... Anyway, does everyone agree that the function ##f\left( y\right)## is a function with ##x = x_0##?
 
ecastro said:
I think so too... Anyway, does everyone agree that the function ##f\left( y\right)## is a function with ##x = x_0##?
It's impossible to be sure without knowing the full context.
It is a reasonable hypothesis, but x could also be some other fixed number in the calculation where the author uses f(y) instead of f(x,y).
 
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Sorry, let me re-phrase:

Is the function ##f\left( y\right)## has its ##x## value fixed?
 
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ecastro said:
Sorry, let me re-phrase:

Is the function ##f\left( y\right)## has its ##x## value fixed?
##f(y)## has no dependence on ##x##, so if this ##f## refers to the same ##f## used in the definition of ##f(x,y)##, then yes, it most probably means that ##x## is considered fixed in the calculation. If not, it is very sloppy indeed.
 
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Thank you very much! Your help is highly appreciated.
 

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