What Does Unique Ring P Containing S Imply in Set Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a unique ring P containing a non-empty system of sets S in set theory. Participants explore the implications of this unique ring, its relationship to the set S, and whether a system of sets must always form a ring.

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  • One participant questions whether the unique ring P containing S implies that P is an element of S or if it is a maximal set of S.
  • Another participant clarifies that S is a subset of P, indicating that P is a ring of sets that includes every element of S and potentially more.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the necessity of a system of sets being a ring and seeks clarification on the generation of ring P from set S through operations like symmetric difference and intersection.
  • It is noted that the power set P(X) of a universal set X is a ring of sets, and while an arbitrary system of sets may not be closed under ring operations, it can be supplemented to form a subring.

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Participants express differing views on whether a system of sets must always be a ring, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding this aspect.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the definitions and properties of rings of sets, including closure under operations, but do not reach a consensus on the necessity of a system of sets being a ring.

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Question on Ring...Help Please!

Given any non-empty systems of sets S, there is a unique ring P containing S and contained in every ring containing S. The ring P is called the minimal ring generated by the system S & can be denoted as R(S).
Question: what does mean by "there is a unique ring P containing S", does it mean that P is in S ? if I am wrong then is P a maximal set of S?
 
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woundedtiger4 said:
Given any non-empty systems of sets S, there is a unique ring P containing S and contained in every ring containing S. The ring P is called the minimal ring generated by the system S & can be denoted as R(S).
Question: what does mean by "there is a unique ring P containing S", does it mean that P is in S ? if I am wrong then is P a maximal set of S?

It means that S[itex]\subset[/itex]P, i.e., S is a set of sets, and P is a RING OF SETS, which contains every element of S as its element (and more, in general). This ring P is said to be generated by the set S, since it is created by adding (symmetric difference) and multiplying (intersection) elements of S, and collecting all the possible outcomes.
 


sunjin09 said:
It means that S[itex]\subset[/itex]P, i.e., S is a set of sets, and P is a RING OF SETS, which contains every element of S as its element (and more, in general). This ring P is said to be generated by the set S, since it is created by adding (symmetric difference) and multiplying (intersection) elements of S, and collecting all the possible outcomes.

Thanks, your answer is really helpful.
one more question, is it necessary that a system of sets is always a ring? Plus, I don't understand by what you said "This ring P is said to be generated by the set S, since it is created by adding (symmetric difference) and multiplying (intersection) elements of S, and collecting all the possible outcomes"?
 


woundedtiger4 said:
Thanks, your answer is really helpful.
one more question, is it necessary that a system of sets is always a ring? Plus, I don't understand by what you said "This ring P is said to be generated by the set S, since it is created by adding (symmetric difference) and multiplying (intersection) elements of S, and collecting all the possible outcomes"?

Of course not, given a universal set X, the power set P(X) is a ring of sets (the two definitions of addition and multiplication of sets satisfy all the axioms of ring addition and multiplication, and P(X) is certainly closed under these compositions.) This biggest ring of sets on X may have subrings, which are closed under these compositions. An arbitrary system of sets aren't necessarily closed under these compositions, but can be supplemented with other necessary sets to make it closed, i.e., turn it into a subring of P(X). It is in this sense that an arbitrary system of set can generate a (sub)ring.
 

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