What exactly does negative permittivity mean?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of negative permittivity, particularly in the context of metamaterials and metals. Participants explore the implications of negative permittivity and permeability, the conditions under which these properties occur, and their relationship to frequency and electric fields.

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether metals always exhibit negative permittivity or only at certain frequencies.
  • There is a question regarding the physical meaning of negative permittivity and whether it implies that the electric field is refracted in the opposite direction.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between electric displacement vector D and electric field E being 180 degrees out of phase, suggesting this occurs above a resonance frequency.
  • Another participant raises a question about the behavior of negative permittivity at lower frequencies in metals, noting an increase followed by a decrease as frequency approaches the plasma frequency.
  • Several participants reference articles related to negative refractive index materials, indicating interest in further reading on the topic.
  • A participant inquires about the availability of reported data on negative capacitance as a function of frequency for conductors, highlighting the difficulty in finding comparative data for common metals.

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Participants generally express curiosity and seek clarification on the topic, but no consensus is reached regarding the conditions and implications of negative permittivity and permeability. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific frequencies, resonance, and plasma frequency without fully resolving the implications of these concepts. There is also a lack of consensus on the behavior of negative permittivity across different frequency ranges.

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Hi, this is my first time posting on these forums but I've been reading them for a while.

I was having a look at metamaterials and it mentioned that metamaterials had negative permittivity and negative permeability. I also found that metals naturally had negative permittivity; though I am still unsure whether this is always the case or just at certain frequencies.

I'd also like to ask why this occurs and what it means exactly; by being negative, is the field refracted in the opposite direction?

Thanks :)
 
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Good question, may I join to you, I wonder too what is the answer :smile:
 
i am wondering too. following the equation C=dQ/dV, is the charge repelled or the field? what is the phenomena happened in most metals?
Some may response with the collision frequency, i guess. help, please?
 
Negative pemittivity means that the electric displacement vector D and electric field are180 degrees out of phase, i.e. antiparallel.
This occurs in some region above a resonance. In a metal, the resonance frequency is formally zero and the region of negative permittivity extends up to the so-called plasma frequency.
You can get an easy picture of what is going on if you model the electric polarization P (~D) as a collection of harmonic oscillators of frequency ##\omega_0## which are driven via a coupling to the electric field ##\sim E_0 \sin(\omega t)##, i.e.
##1/2m \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}+\gamma \frac{dx}{dt} +k/2 x^2 =e E_0 \sin(\omega t)##
here,x is the coordinate, m is the mass, e the charge of an electron, and k the spring constant, ##\gamma## the damping.
You can solve this equation analytically and obtain x(t) as a function of frequency.
 
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DrDu said:
Negative permeability means that the electric displacement vector D and electric field are180 degrees out of phase, i.e. antiparallel.
This occurs in some region above a resonance. In a metal, the resonance frequency is formally zero and the region of negative permeability extends up to the so-called plasma frequency.
You can get an easy picture of what is going on if you model the electric polarization P (~D) as a collection of harmonic oscillators of frequency ##\omega_0## which are driven via a coupling to the electric field ##\sim E_0 \sin(\omega t)##, i.e.
##1/2m \frac{d^2 x}{dt^2}+\gamma \frac{dx}{dt} +k/2 x^2 =e E_0 \sin(\omega t)##
here,x is the coordinate, m is the mass, e the charge of an electron, and k the spring constant, ##\gamma## the damping.
You can solve this equation analytically and obtain x(t) as a function of frequency.

Thanks DrDu. So what happen at even lower frequency region in the metal that cause an increase in negative permittivity followed by a decrease in negative permittivity e.g. well-shaped pattern of e' as a function of frequency? i guess i'd figured out the decrease in negative permittivity as the frequency approaching the plasma frequency. just that I don't understand why is it having an increase negative permittivity at lower frequency.
 
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DrDu said:
The article shows the "electrical engineering" point of view of negative refraction. Interesting is also the article by Agranovich and Gartstein, which discusses the phenomenon as an effect of spatial dispersion:
http://iopscience.iop.org/1063-7869/49/10/R03

Thank you DrDu.

I was wondering where can we find reported data with negative capacitance as a function of frequency for conductors. It is quite hard to get a data comparison for common metals.
Does anyone got any idea?
 

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