What Forces Affect a Motorcyclist's Cornering Performance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the various forces affecting a motorcyclist's cornering performance, particularly when negotiating a corner at speed and leaning into the turn. Participants explore the mechanics and physics involved, aiming to clarify the concepts in accessible terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the forces involved in cornering without relying on complex mathematical terms.
  • Another participant suggests considering the tyres as having maximum traction and the centre of gravity positioned midway between the wheels, while noting the rider's weight relative to the bike.
  • A later reply identifies three primary forces at play: gravity, friction between tyres and the road, and wind resistance, while discussing the net friction force resulting from motor, braking, and centripetal forces.
  • The same reply mentions that cornering characteristics are influenced by factors such as head angle, rake and trail of the fork, centre of mass position, tyre/road friction coefficient, and wheelbase.
  • It is noted that when a rider shifts their body, they are attempting to adjust the cornering characteristics to compensate for perceived deficiencies in the bike's performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the complete list of forces or factors affecting cornering performance, and multiple viewpoints regarding the mechanics and physics involved are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific definitions for terms like "cornering characteristics" and the assumptions made about the conditions under which the forces are analyzed, such as ignoring wind resistance and acceleration effects.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in motorcycle dynamics, physics enthusiasts seeking to understand practical applications of forces, and those looking to clarify their understanding of cornering mechanics.

walesdennis
I have never studied any form of mathematics other than through 'getting through life' and working stuff out and trying to understand the mechanics/ physics in terms I understand. Non scientific / mathematical terms but words in English.
I have a few questions I would like to ask a physicist to explain in words and terms I understand.
Along the way I am sure I could get to know some interesting characters and learn your terms to my thinking.

Q. What are all the forces in play with a motorcyclist negotiating a corner at speed, and leaning into the corner by moving his/ her mass off the bike (and down), in order to reduce the angle of lean of the bike itself.
Thank you.
 
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Consider the tyres to be radial with as much traction on it's overall surface, whilst in a constant state of rest.
Consider the centre of gravity to be midway between the two wheels in a constant state of rest.
The rider weighs half as much as the bike.
What else?
 
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Taking your question literally ("all the forces in play") there are three forces:
Gravity
Friction between tyres and road
Wind resistance
The net friction force will be due to the combination of motor; braking and the centripetal force required to turn the corner. If you ignore wind resistance and assume no acceleration from the motor or application of brakes it gets much simpler, (but still complicated, just not as complicated).
The cornering characteristics of any bike will be determined by factors which include, but are not restricted to, the head angle, rake and trail of the fork; the position of the centre of mass (including its height!); the coefficient of friction of the tyre/road interface and the wheelbase.
When a rider shifts his or her body to one side relative to the centre line of the bike they are trying to alter the cornering characteristics to compensate for what they perceive as a lack in those characteristics. An ideal combination of rider and bike would perform optimally without the rider needing to do this. (The ideal rider probably has zero mass!)
 

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