What happens after Compton scattering event?

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The discussion revolves around the aftermath of Compton scattering events, particularly whether they lead to phenomena similar to those observed in the photoelectric effect, such as characteristic x-ray emission or Auger electron emission. Participants explore the differences between these two interactions and their consequences in terms of electron behavior and energy release.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the photoelectric effect, noting that it involves the ejection of an electron from its shell and the subsequent reshuffling of energy levels, potentially leading to characteristic x-ray emission.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of "orbital electrons" in the context of the photoelectric effect, arguing that the electrons involved are dissociated and contribute to an electric current, leaving the material positively charged without hole formation.
  • A later reply clarifies that the initial question was about photoelectric absorption rather than the standard photoelectric effect, seeking to compare it with Compton scattering.
  • One participant asserts that after Compton scattering, if an electron is ejected, the physics continues normally, implying that the hole left behind does not have significant consequences.
  • Another participant outlines two mechanisms for core hole disappearance: x-ray emission and Auger electron emission, noting that the core hole state can exist for a brief period, which is relevant for certain experimental techniques.
  • A participant concludes that while photoelectric absorption involves inner shell electrons leading to significant energy reshuffling, Compton scattering primarily affects outer shell electrons, resulting in no reshuffle and thus no characteristic x-rays or Auger electrons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the consequences of Compton scattering compared to photoelectric absorption, with no consensus reached on whether Compton scattering leads to similar phenomena such as characteristic x-ray emission.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the specific roles of inner and outer shell electrons in different scattering processes, highlighting the dependence on the type of electron involved and the energy dynamics at play. The discussion remains open regarding the implications of these interactions.

mitch_1211
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Hi All,

So the photoelectric effect is the phenomenon where an orbital electron fully absorbs an incoming photon (assuming the energy of the photon is greater than the binding energy of the electron) and is ejected from its shell. The electron can then undergo its own interactions in the material. Meanwhile there is a 'hole' left in the atoms shell where the electron was so if no free electron fills is the shell energy levels are reshuffled so that the hole is filled resulting in a release of another photon (characteristic x-ray) to compensate for the energy difference of the shells involved in the reshuffle.

Now my question is, when a photon is Compton scattered from an electron and it deposits enough energy to release the electron from the shell does a reshuffle occur here also resulting in characteristic x-ray emission? Surely the 'hole' can't just remain there?

Thanks in advance

Mitch
 
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It isn't "orbital electrons" that supply the photo-electrons. The electrons that are involved in the photoelectric effect are dissociated electrons and are not bound to any particular positive ion core and are the ones which contribute to an electric current (one per atom).
The result of the photoelectric effect is to leave the bulk of the metal positively charged and there is no hole formation. If the target is insulated then it will gradually go more and more positive until the escaping electrons are held in a space charge around it. They are constantly falling back down and dissipating the photon energies as heat in the target. (That's where your energy goes.) There is not enough energy involved to produce any X Ray emissions as the only potentials involved are in the order of a very few volts. (Google "Stopping Volts" in the context of the PE effect; it tells you the surplus KE of the electrons that are released.)
 
sophiecentaur said:
It isn't "orbital electrons" that supply the photo-electrons. The electrons that are involved in the photoelectric effect are dissociated electrons and are not bound to any particular positive ion core and are the ones which contribute to an electric current (one per atom).
The result of the photoelectric effect is to leave the bulk of the metal positively charged and there is no hole formation. If the target is insulated then it will gradually go more and more positive until the escaping electrons are held in a space charge around it. They are constantly falling back down and dissipating the photon energies as heat in the target. (That's where your energy goes.) There is not enough energy involved to produce any X Ray emissions as the only potentials involved are in the order of a very few volts. (Google "Stopping Volts" in the context of the PE effect; it tells you the surplus KE of the electrons that are released.)

Thanks for getting back to me :)

I should have been more specific, I wasnt referring to the photoelectric effect that describes the photocurrent produced from metals that you explained. I should have said photoelectric absorption as in one of the interaction methods that gamma rays and x-rays have with matter.

I was just curious if Compton scattering (another interaction method for gamma and x-rays) had similar consequences to photoelectric absorption

:)
 
Now my question is, when a photon is Compton scattered from an electron and it deposits enough energy to release the electron from the shell does a reshuffle occur ... Surely the 'hole' can't just remain there?
... physics continues as normal after the Compton scattering event, yes.
 
In brief, core holes disappear via two mechanisms:

(1) X-ray emission: electron from a higher shell drops into the hole, and an X-ray is emitted;
(2) Auger electron emission: electron from a higher shell drops into the hole, and an ["Auger"] electron is emitted.

Note that #2 is a radiationless decay process.

These processes are studied using X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy (or XPS). The core hole state exists for long enough (1 fs) to be useful for thermodynamic estimations and even as a "clock" in some XPS experiments.
 
thanks for the replies...

I figured out that photoelectric absorption occurs with *inner* shell electrons hence resulting in a re-shuffle involving significant energies and so the Auger electrons or characteristic x-rays are produced.

However Compton scattering events predominantly occur with *outer* shell electrons, those that could be considered basically 'free'. So even though the electron is still ejected after a Compton scattering even there is no reshuffle due the position of the hole and hence no characteristic x-rays or Auger electrons are produced.

Thanks again
 

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