What happens at the end of entropy?

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The discussion centers on the fate of matter in the universe, speculating on the implications of all matter eventually disintegrating into protons. It raises questions about whether these protons could form a singularity with no entropy and if entropy could lead to a re-integration of matter. The prevailing theory suggests that the universe will continue to expand until particles are too distant for interactions, reaching a state of maximum entropy or thermodynamic equilibrium. The conversation also touches on the Big Bang as a singular state of high organization, while noting that gravitationally bound systems will decay over time, potentially leading to isolated photons and gravitational waves. Ultimately, the future of the universe may consist of sparse remnants of matter and radiation.
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If all the matter in the universe is eventually headed towards dis-integration into it's most basic form. Not sure what that is but for this thought experiment, let's say its single protons.

What would happen if all those protons formed a single mass? Would that be a singularity exhibiting no entropy? Does entropy lead to an eventual re-integration of all matter into one common form?
 
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The most widely accepted idea is that the Universe will continue to expand until every particle is too far away from other particles for any interactions to occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
That is the maximum entropy state, thermodynamic equilibrium.
If you somehow could push the bits back together so that interactions can occur again, the act of doing so would reduce the entropy of the Universe.
It no longer is at maximum.
That can't be done of course because it would require something external to the Universe to accomplish the feat.
 
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The most widely accepted idea is that the Universe will continue to expand until every particle is too far away from other particles for any interactions to occur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe
That is the maximum entropy state, thermodynamic equilibrium.
If you somehow could push the bits back together so that interactions can occur again, the act of doing so would reduces the entropy of the Universe.
It no longer is at maximum.
That can't be done of course because it would require something external to the Universe to accomplish the feat.
Ok so the big bang is the point at which entropy begins within the most highly organized state matter has ever or could ever exist? and that was what, a super massive super dense orb? or was it so organized and compact that it was tiny? and existed in a single point the size of a Planck?
 
The big bang theory does not attempt to describe an initial state of the Universe.
Whatever it was though, it was 'singular', there is only one possible state that it could exist in.
It gets worse, there could be NO possible states.
When math produces conclusions like that, it means our theories need working on.
 
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... and that was what, a super massive
yes
super dense
yes
orb?
no
or was it so organized and compact that it was tiny?
no
and existed in a single point the size of a Planck?
no
 
Since the universe is expanding, anything that is not gravitationally bound will be separated. The largest gravitationally bound objects are superclusters. As far as I know, anything gravitationally bound will decay by gravitational radiation until the whole cluster collapses into a big big black hole. This takes a very long time.

Also, black holes will eventually evaporate by Hawking radiation. Currently, the cosmic microwave background is hotter than macroscopic black holes, so black holes do not evaporate. But as the universe expands, the CMB temperature continues to decrease, so eventually the temperature will be low enough for black holes to evaporate (mostly into photons). Evaporation also takes a very long time, and I have no idea if it is faster than orbit decay. If it is faster, then I suppose systems that were gravitationally bound could become not gravitationally bound*, as the black holes holding them together evaporate. Maybe you will end up with some separated stable macroscopic objects which are too small to form black holes.

So, maybe eventually everything will be an occasional stray photon and a dilute background of gravitational waves. Or maybe you will have macroscopic objects like dead stars which cannot decay any further.
 
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