What Happens to a Magnet Near Two Opposing Currents?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a magnet or magnetic compass in the vicinity of two parallel wires carrying opposing currents. Participants explore the effects of the magnetic fields generated by the currents on the orientation of the magnetic needle, considering various scenarios and outcomes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the magnetic needle will point towards the north when near one wire and towards the south when near the other wire, while others question this interpretation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to visualize the magnetic lines of force around the wires using the right-hand rule to understand the compass's behavior.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how the compass will react individually to each wire, with one participant specifically wanting to know the compass's response without considering its position between the wires.
  • There is a discussion about the strength of the magnetic field produced by the wires, with participants noting that a significant current is necessary to create a field stronger than Earth's magnetic field.
  • One participant mentions observations from videos, questioning whether the compass would always remain perpendicular to the current or change its pointing direction when moved around the magnetic field.
  • A reference to a webpage is provided, although its content is not discussed in detail.
  • Another participant confirms the need for a substantial current in a lab setting to overcome Earth's magnetic field, suggesting that smaller compasses placed close to the wire may require less current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how the compass will behave in relation to each wire, with no consensus reached on the specific outcomes. Some agree on the need for significant current to generate a strong magnetic field, while others focus on the compass's individual reactions to the wires.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of visualizing magnetic field lines and the conditions under which the magnetic field from the wires can be stronger than Earth's magnetic field. There is also a lack of consensus on the compass's behavior in different positions relative to the wires.

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Two parallel wires carrying currents can repel each other, if the currents flow in the opposite direction. What would happen to a magnet or magnetic compass, if brought to close to the magnetic field of the first current, and then the second current? What direction would it point to/or which part of the magnet, north or south, would be attracted/repelled by the magnetic fields of the currents?

a) The magnetic needle point towards north when close to "wire A", and when close to "wire B" the magnetic needle points to south.
b) nothing happens.
c) The magnet gets deflected by the magnetic field, in both cases.
d) Another answer.

So, I couldn't do this experment at home. But do anybody know for sure what happens?


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So which choice do you think is right and why. Remember at PF we must show some work before we can help you solve the problem.

As a hint try to draw the magnetic lines of force around the wires using the right hand rule and remember for this case the currents are going in opposite directions.

Next a compass will align itself along a magnetic line of force so how would it lineup around each wire and then how would it line up between the two wires.
 
jedishrfu said:
So which choice do you think is right and why. Remember at PF we must show some work before we can help you solve the problem.

As a hint try to draw the magnetic lines of force around the wires using the right hand rule and remember for this case the currents are going in opposite directions.

Next a compass will align itself along a magnetic line of force so how would it lineup around each wire and then how would it line up between the two wires.

I Think A. I Think that the North-pole will Point at wire A, and the South-pole at wire B. And I can't "draw the magnetic lines". Also I don't want to know how a compass is lined up "between the wires". I would like to know how the mangetic needle reacts individually to each wire.
 
The magnetic field lines are going to be circles around the wire. Where do you think the compass should point?

I think you'll have to drive a pretty significant DC current through a single wire to get a magnetic field that is significantly stronger than Earth's magnetic field.
 
Okefenokee said:
The magnetic field lines are going to be circles around the wire. Where do you think the compass should point?

I think you'll have to drive a pretty significant DC current through a single wire to get a magnetic field that is significantly stronger than Earth's magnetic field.

When I look at videos on youtube, the Compass is perpendicular to the current. So if the current moves downwards, the Compass Points to West. If it moves upwards, the Compass Points to East. Now, this Compass is lying upon the wire, but I havnt seen how it reacts when moved around the magnetic field. I wonder what it would Point at. Would it stay perpendicular Always and not change its pointing direction?
 
See this page:
http://titan.bloomfield.edu/facstaff/dnicolai/Physics/Physics106/Phy106-lessons/lesson5-106.htm

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Okefenokee said:
I think you'll have to drive a pretty significant DC current through a single wire to get a magnetic field that is significantly stronger than Earth's magnetic field.

Correct. When we do this in an undergraduate lab experiment, with a wire running vertically through a hole in a table, we have to use a current of about 30 A in order in order for the the wire's B field to overcome the Earth's B field inside a radius of about 12 cm.

If you use small compasses and put them very close to the wire, you don't need as much current.
 

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