What Happens to a Photon's 4 Momentum After a Lorentz Boost?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a photon's 4-momentum under Lorentz boosts, specifically examining how the components of the 4-momentum change while maintaining the invariant speed of light. Participants explore the implications of these transformations on energy, frequency, and momentum in different reference frames.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a Lorentz boost in the z direction would leave the 4-momentum of a photon unchanged, suggesting that boosting at the speed of light should maintain its original form.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the magnitude of the photon's 4-momentum is invariant, the components will change under a Lorentz boost.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that energy and momentum are not invariant between reference frames, although the speed of the photon remains constant at c.
  • One participant proposes that since the energy (E/c) can change, a Lorentz boost alters the energy of the photon, which in turn affects its frequency or color, while asserting that the velocity remains at c.
  • A later reply confirms the previous statement regarding the relationship between frequency, wavelength, and the relativistic Doppler shift in different reference frames.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the speed of light remains invariant, but there is some contention regarding the implications of Lorentz boosts on the components of 4-momentum and the resulting changes in energy and frequency.

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The discussion does not resolve the specific conditions under which the components of the 4-momentum change or the exact relationship between energy and frequency across different reference frames.

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Readers interested in the relativistic behavior of particles, particularly photons, and those studying the implications of Lorentz transformations in theoretical physics may find this discussion relevant.

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hi there!

Just wondering... if i have a photon moving in the z direction 4 momentum given by (0,0,1,1)

and I lorentz boost it in the z direction... would I get the same original 4 momentum (0,0,1,1) because i thought that boosting something at the speed of light means that it remains at the speed of light right?

in the case of the x direction (1,0,0,1) the lorentz boost in the x direction gives (cosh, -sinh, 0,1)... which isn't the original 4 momentum

could somebody kindly explain what exactly I'm getting wrong here?

Thank you!
 
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The magnitude (Minkowski norm) of the photon's 4 momentum is invariant, but the components of the 4 momentum do change. When you boost it in the z direction you will get a 4 momentum of the form (0,0,E/c,E/c) where E/c is not in general equal to 1 in all frames.
 
The energy and momentum are not invariant between reference frames. The speed of the photon is invariant, nevertheless.

In general, v/c = pc/E. For a photon in the original reference frame, E = pc so v/c = 1. In the new reference frame, after the transformation, you should be able to show that E' = p'c so v'/c = 1 also.
 
ok... so am i getting this right? ... since E/c can change then lorentz boosting of a photon in the direction of its travel changes its energy therefore changing its frequency/colour only? the velocity remains at c
 
Note that the change in frequency and wavelength between two reference frames is just the longitudinal relativistic Doppler shift.
 

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