What Happens to Ferrofluid in a Cylinder with Opposing Magnets?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of ferrofluid in a cylinder with opposing magnets positioned at each end, akin to pistons. Participants explore the effects of magnetic fields on the viscosity and physical properties of ferrofluid, particularly in relation to its use in applications such as dampening and suspension systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that ferrofluid's viscosity increases with the application of a magnetic field, suggesting that bringing opposing magnets closer would enhance this effect due to increased magnetic flux density.
  • Another participant questions the behavior of ferrofluid when situated between opposing magnets, seeking clarification on whether this scenario differs from being in a magnetic field with attracting magnets.
  • It is mentioned that ferrofluid develops spikes in areas of strong magnetic fields, and these spikes do not form in regions of low field strength, such as between opposing magnets.
  • A participant introduces the idea that ferrofluid loses permeability as it heats up, which could affect its efficiency in applications like transmissions.
  • Another participant discusses the convective properties of ferrofluid, indicating that it can circulate hot fluid areas with cooler fluid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and hypotheses regarding the behavior of ferrofluid in the presence of opposing magnets. There is no consensus on the specific outcomes or differences in behavior compared to attracting magnets, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the opposing magnetic fields on ferrofluid behavior, and there are uncertainties regarding the effects of heating and the comparison to other fluids used in active suspension systems.

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I understand the basics of Ferrofluid and how it works and reacts to a point. I have never had the chance to actually play with it to see the effects when magnets are applied.

I understand that it (when used as a dampener) gets stiffer when the magnetic field is present.

My question is what happens to it if say... you put it in a cylinder and had opposing magnets on each end inside of the cylinder like pistons. does it progressivley thicken as the magnets are brought closer to each other?

I've seen how the active suspension dampening works in some automobiles but curious as to behavior with permanent magnets.
 
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Did I ask it in a confusing way?
 
My (limited) understanding is that the viscosity of a ferrofluid increases with the applied magnetic field. Moving permanent magnets closer to the ferrofluid increases the magnetic flux density, so the viscosity should increase.

Or are you asking about something else?
 
That's the way I understand it too.

What I don't know it what happens when the fluid is between to opposing magnets ( repelling) .
Does it make a difference?
 
I need to clarify...

What happens with the fluid when the opposing magnets are brought closer to each other?

Is there any difference in the behavior of the fluid compared to being in a magnetic field in the same direction (attracting) ? Or does it act like a single magnet would?
 
Ferrofluid develops spikes in regions of strongest magnetic field. In regions where there is little field strength, such as opposing magnets, the spikes will not form.
 
Phrak said:
Ferrofluid develops spikes in regions of strongest magnetic field. In regions where there is little field strength, such as opposing magnets, the spikes will not form.

Thanks! That's what I was looking for.

So I guess it would increase when 2 attracting magnets are brought closer to each other.

Either way I guess it cancels out my idea LOL.

Thanks again for the info!
 
DROBNJAK said:
Another property of the ferofluid you might want to consider is that it losses permeativity as it heats up. And it heats up if it moves a lot. So if you are intending to use it in a transmition, than most likely it would loose its efficiency after few minutes of use.

Hmmm. What's the difference in the Mr fluid used in Active Suspension?

And also I thought it acted in a cooling agent in speakers.

My idea is for an R/C car application: Suspension configuration.
 
Ferror fluid has convective properties, essentially circulating hot fliud areas with cooler fluid
 

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