What happens when 2 beams of light interact?

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The discussion revolves around the interaction of two beams of light, particularly whether they can transform into other particles and the role of gravity in this process. Participants explore concepts related to quantum mechanics, particle physics, and the conditions under which light beams may interact.

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  • Some participants suggest that generally, two beams of light do not interact in a way that creates particles other than light.
  • There is a claim that gravity does not cause light to turn into other particles, and it is questioned whether gravity is a quantum force.
  • One participant mentions that under certain conditions, such as high intensity and energy, two photons can produce an electron-positron pair.
  • Another participant references quantum electrodynamics (QED) and discusses the theoretical possibility of photon interactions leading to particle production, specifically mentioning the annihilation of photons into an electron-positron pair.
  • Questions are raised about the nature of energetic photons compared to regular photons and the specific conditions under which two light beams might interact.

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Participants express differing views on the interaction of light beams and the influence of gravity, with some asserting that light does not turn into other particles while others propose specific scenarios where this might occur. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of gravity in quantum mechanics.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about gravity as a quantum force and the specific conditions required for photon interactions, which remain unclear and unresolved.

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I was reading sometimes nothing happens when 2 beams of light interact but other times it can cause light to turn into other particles. What particles does the 2 light beams turn into?
I realize turn into probably isn't the correct term.

Also I know gravity can bend light but can gravity cause light to turn into other particles?

I am layman so can someone explain this in layman's term? Also I am not even sure the quantum section is the correct section.
 
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rgtr said:
Summary:: I was reading sometimes nothing happens when 2 beams of light interact but other times it can cause light to turn into other particles. What particles does the 2 light beams turn into?

I realize turn into probably isn't the correct term.

Also I know gravity can bend light but can gravity cause light to turn into other particles?

I am layman so can someone explain this in layman's term? Also I am not even sure the quantum section is the correct section.

Generally, 2 beams of light do not interact. When they do, they do not create particles other than light.

And gravity does not turn light into other particles. It is not clear that gravity is a quantum force, which would be necessary for that to ever be a consideration.

As a side note, it would be helpful to mention where you read that light "turns into other particles" so we would have some context. There are situations, for example, where energetic photons can interact with other particles yielding a variety of results.
 
I assume no one knows what gravity is in quantum mechanics. Is my assumption correct?

But assuming gravity is quantum force how does this change the particle of light into other particles?

Also when do 2 light beams interact and what are the results? What is an energetic photon vs a photon?
 
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DrChinese said:
And gravity does not turn light into other particles.
I think you can get electron-positron pair production for very high intensity and high energy beams.
 
As far as I know, it has not been observed directly yet, but in leading order QED perturbation theory of order ##\alpha^2## two photons can annihilate to an electron-positron pair. It's the time-reversed process of electron-positron annihilation to two photons.

At higher orders you can also have the elastic scattering of two photons (order ##\alpha^4##). It's a set of one-loop diagrams with four electron-positron lines running around.
 
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