What happens when two spinning objects come into contact?

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The discussion revolves around the collision of two spinning disks, focusing on the changes in their angular velocities and the underlying forces and torques involved in such interactions. The subject area includes concepts from rotational dynamics and friction.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the source of torque during the collision of two spinning disks and questions the equations that describe this phenomenon. Some participants explore the role of friction and forces acting at the edges of the disks, while others note that the nature of the collision can significantly influence the outcome.

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Participants are exploring various aspects of the problem, including the effects of friction and the conditions under which the disks collide. There is acknowledgment of the importance of friction in the interaction, but no consensus has been reached on the complete dynamics involved.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the collision and the forces at play are being questioned, particularly regarding the role of friction and the conditions under which the disks are brought into contact.

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1. What happens when two spinning disks collide?
Suppose you have two flat, thin disks with uniformly distributed masses m1 and m2, moving at angular velocities ω1 and ω2. the two objects are brought together edge to edge, ie they collide. obviously as a result of this collision, the objects' angular velocities change. in order for such a change to occur, a torque must be applied. what I don't know is, where is the torque coming from that initiates this change, and what is the equation that describes that torque? it's an entirely conceptual question.


Homework Equations


The usual suspects:
T = r x F (torque = cross product of object's position and the force)
ω = α t + ω0 (angular velocity = angular acceleration x time plus initial angular velocity)
beyond this, I'm not sure what other equations apply.


The Attempt at a Solution


it's conceptual, so I've mostly been muddling it out by deductive reasoning. if two objects are in contact, their circumferences are moving at velocities v1=ω1 R and v2=ω2 R. If these two velocities are equal and in opposite directions, like gears, then (based on real-life observation) they should exert no torque on one another.

if their velocities are not equal in this fashion, then some force is exerted by one object on the other, to adjust the other's velocity towards this equal velocity. theoretically, the force should be proportional to the difference between the current and target velocities. but since i have no idea where this force comes from, that's about where my reasoning came to a halt.
 
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Suppose the disc edges are pushed together with some force F and suppose there is kinetic friction between the discs of μ. Then should the force acting at the rim be μF and the torque is μFR where R is the radius of the disc in question? The torque will continue to act until both discs have the same rim velocity?
 
With spinning objects, a lot depends on exactly how they hit!
 
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I feel really dumb now. of course it had to be friction. that makes so much sense... thank you!
 

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