What if photons had an electric charge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the hypothetical scenario of photons possessing an electric charge, examining the implications for visibility, existence, and atomic interactions. Participants consider the foundational aspects of photon mass and charge within the context of physics theories, particularly relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the consequences of photons having a slight electric charge, pondering whether this would affect visibility or existence.
  • Another participant asserts that charged particles cannot be massless, suggesting a fundamental limitation on the nature of photons.
  • A participant acknowledges the masslessness of photons but notes the uncertainty surrounding the upper bound of photon mass, asking about potential effects if photons had mass below this bound.
  • Another participant reinforces the massless nature of photons as a cornerstone of relativity, referencing experimental efforts to measure photon mass and their implications for relativity.
  • One participant challenges the assertion that charged particles must be massive, expressing skepticism about this claim.
  • A participant proposes that a charged particle generates an electric field with non-zero energy, implying that it must possess some form of relativistic mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the relationship between charge and mass, with some asserting that charged particles cannot be massless while others question this assertion. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the implications of photon charge and mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the uncertainty surrounding photon mass and the implications of relativity, indicating that the discussion is limited by the current understanding of these concepts and the experimental evidence available.

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What would happen if all photons had (slight) electric charge?

Would we just not be able to see?

Or would we not exist at all?

Why?

If they were negatively charged, would they repel electrons and attracts to the nucleus of an atom? What consequence would this have?
 
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They can't have any. Charged particle can't be massless.
 
Okay, so photons are massless?

I just read there is an upper bound on the mass of a photon and that it is currently believed that photons have no mass, but it is an uncertainty.

If the mass were lower than the upper bound, then what would the effects be?
 
Photons are massless - what is a very foundation of Relativity Theory. You probably read some article about seeking experimental evidence contradicting Relativity. They measured mass of the photon and found it cannot be bigger than some (small) value, but may be 0.
So that experiment (although pretty worth: never to many cross-checks in science!) was not able to falsify Relativity.
 
xts said:
Charged particle can't be massless.

Hmm, is that strictly true? It's not obvious to me why that would have to be true.
 
I am not theoretician, so maybe there exist some weird theories solving a problem of inertia of electromagnetic field.

For my simple mind, charged particle creates electric field, which has some non-zero energy, thus it must carry at least its corresponding relativistic mass.
 

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