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Can someone please explain to me the concept of the hole as it pertains to solid state physics?
I don't understand how it works.
I don't understand how it works.
The discussion centers on the concept of a 'hole' in solid state physics, particularly in the context of semiconductors and their behavior in electric fields. Participants explore the definition, implications, and interpretations of holes, including their role in current flow and the Hall effect.
Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of holes, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the collective nature of holes, while others maintain that the absence of an electron is a valid definition, leading to ongoing debate.
Discussions include references to effective mass, collective behavior of electrons, and the Hall effect, with participants acknowledging the complexity and nuances involved in these concepts.
mgb_phys said:It's just the absence of an electron - because current flow was defined as positive to negative before electrons were discovered - it's convenient to have a positive electron.
mgb_phys said:It's just the absence of an electron - because current flow was defined as positive to negative before electrons were discovered - it's convenient to have a positive electron.
Phrak said:How would you explain the Hall effect in P type material?
LydiaAC said:An electron with negative effective mass will accelerate in a direction opposite to that of the force applied to it. From rest, this will require to go in the opposite direction in which it is pushed. It is easier to imagine that the current is made of holes which respond to the force in a conventional way.
You are right. The Hall effect is the better proof that the hole cannot be simply the absence of an electron.
Lydia Alvarez
I really don't see any problem with this statement. Isn't this like saying you can either see the half-full glass of water either half-full or half-empty?LydiaAC said:About the "misleading explanation", I have found tutorials in internet which say that "metals have the same number or electrons and holes because they have a half filled band". You will agree that you cannot count electrons AND holes in the same band. This is only an example of a misconception caused by the simple definition of "absence of an electron".
Defennnder said:I really don't see any problem with this statement. Isn't this like saying you can either see the half-full glass of water either half-full or half-empty?
Cthugha said:On the other hand you can of course consider holes and electrons at the same time, if you do it correctly. For example in low dimensional nanostructures excitons (in layman terms a bound complex of an electron and a hole) are very important.
LydiaAC said:Hello Cthugha:
Do you think you can give a "for dummies" explanation of excitons? I do not know anything about them but their definition.
It would be nice to know a little more.
Lydia Alvarez