What is Electrical Field in a Closed surface with no charge

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric fields and electric flux in the context of Gauss's Law, specifically addressing the scenario of a closed surface with no enclosed charge. Participants explore the implications of zero net electric flux and the conditions under which electric field intensity may or may not be zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that according to Gauss's Law, the net electric flux through a closed surface is zero if no charge is enclosed, leading to the conclusion that electric field intensity should also be zero.
  • Another participant argues that a zero net flux does not necessarily imply that the electric field is zero everywhere; it could indicate that the field has different directions on different parts of the surface.
  • A third participant points out a mistake in the interpretation of electric flux in relation to the direction of the electric field and the normal to the surface elements, suggesting that the field is not always perpendicular to the surface.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the assumption that the electric field is normal to every surface element, agreeing that the electric field at the Gaussian surface will not be zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electric flux and electric field intensity, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist regarding the implications of zero net flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of additional information, such as symmetry, in making inferences about the electric field from the net flux. There are unresolved aspects regarding the directionality of the electric field and its relationship to the surface elements.

Prateek Kumar Jain
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As per the Gauss Law , Net Flux Electric Field through a closed Surface (Gaussian Surface) is zero if no charge is enclosed.

As per the definition of the Electrical Flux = Electrical Field Intensity dot product Area Vector i.e. Closed Integral of E.S

If Electrical Flux is zero then as per the definition of Electric Flux above , Electric Field intensity through the Gaussian Surface should also be zero, which is not so as shown in the figure below

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Please clarify why the two results are opposite and which one is correct.
 
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Prateek Kumar Jain said:
If Electrical Flux is zero then as per the definition of Electric Flux above , Electric Field intensity through the Gaussian Surface should also be zero,
This is not necessarily correct. A zero net flux could mean that the field is zero everywhere, or it could mean that it points inward on one half and outward on the other half.

Usually you need some more information, like symmetry, in order to make the inference from 0 net flux to 0 field.
 
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In your hand writing text you do the mistake in the line ##E\oint dS=0## this is not correct in your example of the sphere inside a uniform field E. The field E is not always perpendicular to the surface element and even when it is, it doesn't have the same direction with the direction of the normal of the surface element.

What happens in your example is that the flux at the left half of the sphere is negative and cancels the flux at the right half which is equal but positive.(remember the positive direction for the normal to the surface element is the one that points outwards from the closed surface.)
 
I agree and now I understand my mistake that I was considering Electric Field to be normal to each and every surface element of the Sphere which is not so. Hence Electric Field at the Gaussian surface (Sphere) will not be zero.

Thank you for your explanation Mr. Dale and Delta
 
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