What Is Electricity? Examples & Explanations

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electricity, using the example of turning on a light in a room. Participants explore various definitions, phenomena, and analogies related to electricity, including the flow of electrons, electric fields, and the nature of current.

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  • Some participants assert that when a switch is flipped, electrons flow in the wire at near the speed of light, while others clarify that it is actually the electric field that propagates at that speed.
  • There is mention of drift current, where electrons accumulate or deplete over time, and some participants question the propagation effects of electrons, suggesting they move only a few centimeters per second.
  • One participant uses a water analogy to explain how turning on a faucet leads to water flowing out almost instantly, despite individual water molecules moving slowly.
  • Another participant distinguishes between "electron current" and "conventional current," noting that the direction of current was established before the discovery of electrons.
  • Some participants argue that "electricity" is often misdefined in popular culture, suggesting it should refer to electric charge rather than the flow of current.
  • There is a discussion about the historical definitions of electricity, with references to notable scientists and their contributions to the understanding of electric charge and its relationship to energy.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of electricity and its implications, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the definitions or the nature of electricity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of popular definitions of electricity and the confusion that arises from them. There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between charge and energy, as well as the implications of different definitions on practical understanding.

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What is electricity? Let me use the example of turning on a light in a room.

I have been told that when I flip the switch, electrons flow in the wire at near the speed of light, and that is electricity.

I have also been told that electricity propagates as a field between the two wires, and the energy is in that field.

Further, I have heard of some phenomenon -- called drift current perhaps -- where there is a net accumulation or depletion of electrons in a wire over a period of a few seconds. Or, some propagation effect whereby electrons move only a few centimeters per second. Is there anything like this?

Thank you for considering my question.
 
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steve102 said:
What is electricity? Let me use the example of turning on a light in a room.

I have been told that when I flip the switch, electrons flow in the wire at near the speed of light, and that is electricity.

This is incorrect, but close enough to the truth that it's often repeated. In fact, it is the electric field that propagates at near light speed, as you say in the next point:

steve102 said:
I have also been told that electricity propagates as a field between the two wires, and the energy is in that field.

This electric field actually does cause electrons to bounce around from atom to atom, but the net movement of any individual electron is actually rather slow (on the order of a few cm per second):

steve102 said:
Further, I have heard of some phenomenon -- called drift current perhaps -- where there is a net accumulation or depletion of electrons in a wire over a period of a few seconds. Or, some propagation effect whereby electrons move only a few centimeters per second. Is there anything like this?

Thank you for considering my question.

The net current comes from the aggregate movement of a great many (10^19 ish) of these electrons. As an analogy, think of a wave in water: a buoy wouldn't move much in the direction of the wave (nor do the individual water molecules), but the wave itself moves forward at great speed. So it is with electricity.
 
Another water analogy that I like: consider a water hose, already filled with water though none is flowing.

Somebody turns on the valve at one end of the hose. Almost instantly, water starts flowing out at the other end. Even though a given drop of water will take several seconds to travel the distance from the faucet to the open end.

And I say "almost instantly" because there is a short delay, due to the speed of sound in water, before the high pressure from opening the faucet propagates the entire length of the hose.
 
"Electron current" is the flow of conduction electrons in a conductor. "Conventional" curent, flow of positively charged current, is in the opposite direction. The direction of current was establiched long before electrons were discovered. The flow of current is based on the presence of a voltage, which creates an electric field along the conductor.
Power is essentially the product of current and an in-phase voltage Power (watts) = I times V.

The total circuit voltage is actually between the two conductors, one carrying the current, and the other carrying the return current. This voltage creates an electric field E between the two conductors. The currents create a magnetic field H around each current conductor. E and H are orthogonal to each other.
The total power flow can be represented by the vector cross product of E and H. The Poynting** vector, the vector showing both the amplitude and direction of the power, is

P = integral [E x H] dA, where A is the area of the surface between the two conductors where both E and H are non zero.

The Poynting representation of electromagnetic power flow is especially useful when the currents are not confined to conductors, like for example high frequency power in waveguides, or in free space near antennas.

** Named after John Henry Poynting
 
Ahem. Electricity is the effect obtained by turning the switch on, in the vernacular.

A Dictionary: The phenomena of electromagnetism. (Doesn't help much, does it?)

The stuff that moves in the wire isn't 'electricity'. It is current.
 
steve102 said:
What is electricity? Let me use the example of turning on a light in a room.

I have been told that when I flip the switch, electrons flow in the wire at near
the speed of light, and that is electricity.

Electrons in wires don't travel at the speed of light. They travel more like the
speed of a minute hand on a clock! But let's back up a bit first.

What is electricity? That's easy. Just use the scientific definition, and ignore
the morass of incorrect and contradictory definitions used by the general public.
That's the traditional technique for cutting through the Physics Fog found in
popular culture. (Physics Phog?)

"Quantity of electricity" means quantity of Electric Charge. That's the MKS definition
of the word electricity. Amounts of "electricity" are measured in coulombs.
A flow of electricity is called an "electric current."

But if you adopt this definition, it creates certain problems when talking to
non-experts. In that case a battery becomes an "electricity pump" which
takes electricity in through one terminal and simultaneously spits it out the
other. The half-cell reactions at the surfaces of electrodes are pumping the
"electricity" through the electrolyte; through the battery, and back out again.
Similarly, an electric generator can never generate any electricity (it's just a
pump.) Also, electric companies don't sell electricity, and no electricity ever
travels from the utility plants to your home. Electricity only wiggles slightly
back and forth in any AC system. And if we use the scientific definition,
then "electricity" is not a form of energy. Coulombs and Joules are two
entirely separate things.

If we accept that "Quantity of electricity" means Charge, then we're in line
with Faraday, JC Maxwell, William Thompson, Einstein, and other heavy hitters.
In particular, in 1839 Faraday published a set of experiments which proved
that bioelectricity, triboelectricity, electrochemical electricity, and atmospheric
electricity were all exactly the same entity.

But later scientists stopped using this definition. They stopped using the word
Electricity and instead replaced it with the word Charge. Our contemporary experts
don't use any clear scientific definition of the word electricity, and they disagree
among themselves. But the original definition is still in the MKS standards
documents and in many physics refs (CRC handbook, for example.)

More about this whole topic:

Scientific definition of the word "Electricity"
http://amasci.com/miscon/maxwell.html

Is Electricity the charge, or is it the energy?
http://amasci.com/elect/elefaq1.html#ae

Electricity: list of definitions and their consequences
http://amasci.com/miscon/whatdef.html

Big list:
http://amasci.com/ele-edu.html
 
Phrak said:
A Dictionary: The phenomena of electromagnetism. (Doesn't help much, does it?)

Try Beirce, Devil's Dictionary! Quite humerous. He actually figured it out.


Phrak said:
The stuff that moves in the wire isn't 'electricity'. It is current.


The stuff that moves in wires is called "charge." An electric current is a flow of
charge, not a flow of "current." (And what is flowing in a river? is it the water, or
is it the current?)
 

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