What is electron spin and intrinsic spin of elementary particles?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of electron spin and intrinsic spin of elementary particles, exploring their definitions, mathematical representations, and underlying principles in quantum mechanics. Participants seek clarification on quantum numbers, angular momentum, and the nature of spin in both electrons and their antiparticles.

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  • Some participants inquire about the fundamental nature of electron spin and intrinsic spin, seeking resources for better understanding.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between classical angular momentum and quantum spin, with references to the operator for angular momentum.
  • Participants express confusion regarding quantum numbers and the quantization of angular momentum, particularly the equation | \vec L | = L = \sqrt{l(l+1)} \hbar.
  • One participant explains that while orbital angular momentum is quantized, intrinsic spin has its own quantization rules, with specific values for particles like electrons.
  • There is a question about the behavior of antiparticles, specifically whether positrons have opposite spin compared to electrons, which is clarified to indicate that spin is not reversed for antiparticles.
  • Participants seek to understand the derivation of the spin equation and the rationale behind its definition.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the definitions and implications of spin, particularly in relation to antiparticles and the mathematical formulations involved.

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Some participants highlight the need for clarity on the mathematical derivation of spin and its definition, indicating potential gaps in understanding the foundational concepts of quantum mechanics.

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What exactly is electron spin and intrinsic spin of elementary particles.Any link teaching these concepts from scratch would also be appreciated .

Thnx
 
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Sorry still haven't understood at all!

What is the quantum number?
 
All of the quantum mechanics of spin originates with the operator for angular momentum (remember the components of angular momentum come from a cross product p x r).
 
anantchowdhary said:
Sorry still haven't understood at all!

OK, let's go backwards a bit. How much do you know about angular momentum in classical mechanics? Do you know about how to represent angular momentum as a vector?
 
I just about know that L=r X p

where p is linear momentum and r is the displacement position vector
 
OK, that's what we use for orbital angular momentum, like the Earth going around the sun. The cross product gives you a vector that's perpendicular to the plane of the orbit. In QM, the vector \vec L is quantized, both in magnitude and in direction. The magnitude is quantized according to

| \vec L | = L = \sqrt{l(l+1)} \hbar

where l is an integer 0, 1, 2, 3... Furthermore, the component of \vec L along any direction is quantized. Usually we talk about the z-direction but it can actually be any direction. After you've chosen the value of l, then

L_z = m_l \hbar

where m_l can have values ranging from -l to +l in steps of 1. For example, if l = 2, then the possible values of m_l are -2, -1, 0, +1, +2.

Something like the Earth also has spin angular momentum, from spinning around its own axis. We can describe this with a vector \vec S that points along the axis of rotation. Even though particles like electrons actually aren't little tiny spinning balls, they still have intrinsic angular momentum which we often call "spin," and we use the vector \vec S for it.

The rules for quantizing \vec S are similar to the rules for quantizing \vec L:

| \vec S | = S = \sqrt{s(s+1)} \hbar

S_z = m_s \hbar

where m_s can have values ranging from -s to +s in steps of 1. The differences from orbital angular momentum are:

1. l must be an integer, but s can be either integer or half-integer.

2. For a particular particle (e.g. electron) l and/or m_l can change when its "orbit" changes, but s is always the same for a particular kind of particle. For example, all electrons have s = 1/2, and so they must have m_s = -1/2 ("spin down") or m_s = +1/2 ("spin up").

However, m_s can change. With the right circumstances, we can "flip" an electron's spin from m_s = -1/2 to m_s = +1/2 or vice versa.
 
sry I am not clear with the equation | \vec L | = L = \sqrt{l(l+1)} \hbar

What do you mean by quantizing \vec L ?

The help was much appreciated.Thnx
 
The magnitude of \vec L (which we usually write as just L) can have only certain specific values, corresponding to the allowed values of l. For example, l = 0 gives L = 0; l = 1 gives L = \sqrt{2} \hbar; l = 2 gives L = \sqrt{6} \hbar; etc.
 
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That seems fairly easy to follow, what is the difference with anti matter particles like a positron, do they spin in the opposite direction ie they go towards the other half of the circle? Or do they just spin in an opposite direction, starting at an opposite position, sorry if this is a stupid question.
 
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No, spin is not one of the things that's "opposite" for an antiparticle. For example, an electron can already have its spin either "up" or "down" along a given axis, and likewise for a positron.
 
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I just would like to know how the equation: | \vec L | = L = \sqrt{l(l+1)} \hbar came into being.

and why is the spin defined in such a way?
 
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jtbell said:
No, spin is not one of the things that's "opposite" for an antiparticle. For example, an electron can already have its spin either "up" or "down" along a given axis, and likewise for a positron.

I see, so it's just the charge that is reversed? e+ e- the spin is the same or can be the same according to an axis, thanks.
 
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Why is the spin defined in such a way?How do we get the equation?
 
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anantchowdhary said:
Why is the spin defined in such a way?How do we get the equation?
Orbital angular momentum falls out when the Schrödinger Wave Equation is solved for a Hydrogen atom.
 

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