What Is Magnetism? Physics & Maths Explained

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The discussion revolves around the nature of magnetism, its relationship with other forces, and the underlying physics and mathematics. Participants explore concepts such as the behavior of magnetic fields, their propagation speed, and the connection between magnetism and electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses curiosity about whether magnetism behaves like other forces and questions if its speed is limited by the speed of light.
  • Another participant explains that a magnetic field is induced by moving charged particles and describes the mathematical relationship between moving charges and the forces they exert on each other.
  • It is noted that magnetism and electric force are intertwined, forming the electromagnetic force, and that changes in the electromagnetic field propagate at the speed of light.
  • A participant suggests that magnetism arises from electrons spinning in the same direction within ferrous metals, emphasizing the interconnectedness of magnetism and electric fields.
  • One participant asserts that magnetism is not fully understood, while another challenges this statement, indicating a disagreement on the understanding of magnetism.
  • There is a claim that everything has a degree of magnetism, with a later reply suggesting that some materials, like diamonds, may have a zero value for their degree of magnetism.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and interpretation of magnetism, with some asserting its complexity and others challenging the notion that it is not fully understood. There is no consensus on the nature of magnetism or its implications across different materials.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various aspects of magnetism, including its relationship with electric fields and the electromagnetic spectrum, but there are unresolved questions about the fundamental nature of magnetism and its manifestations in different materials.

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For a start, I must say that I'm just very interested in physics and maths but have no real education in these subjects.
Does magnetism behave like other forces? Is the speed of the magnetism limited by lightspeed? Is it a wave or a particle, or both like light.
Now for gravity, we have discovered 'gravity waves' but again is a particle too.
 
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The magnetic field is an effect induced by a moving charged particle or electric current, the flow of charged particles (protons or electrons). The magnetic field exerts a magnetic force on any other moving charge or current present in the field.

So let's say you have a moving charge ##q_1## and another moving charge ##q_2##. As ##q_1## moves with velocity ##\vec v_2##, it creates a magnetic field ##\vec B_1## in its surrounding vicinity (where ##q_2## is also present) which in turn exerts a magnetic force ##\vec F_{1,2}## on ##q_2## (as ##q_2## is also moving). These can all be put into an equation, $$\vec F_{1,2} = q_2 * \vec v_2 \times \vec B_1$$

This is the same thing as $$\vec F_{1,2} = q_2 * \vec v_2 * \vec B_1 * sinθ$$

##\vec v_2##, ##\vec B_1##, and ##\vec F_{1,2}## can all be represented as geometric entities in three dimensional space, or vectors; vectors are described by stating their magnitude and direction.

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(image taken from Encyclopaedia Britannica)

θ is the angle between ##\vec v_2## and ##\vec B_1##. In the above picture, θ = 90° because ##\vec v_2## and ##\vec B_1## are perpendicular to each other (the angle between them is 90°).
 
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Magnetism and the electric force are very closely related. They always come together, and they are mathematically entwined, so we say they are both parts of the electromagnetic force.

The electromagnetic field spreads out over all space. We have to be clear on what we mean by "speed" when we are not talking about a solid object. It makes the most sense to talk about the speed of propagation of changes in the field. If you move a magnet, then the field around the magnet takes some time to update. The speed at which the changes are propagated outward is the speed of light, precisely because the wave of propagation is light. Light is just an electromagnetic wave, and these waves carry changes in the electric and magnetic fields.

Gravity is similar to electromagnetism but more complicated since more numbers are needed to describe the gravitational field at each point in space. We don't yet know if gravity can be described as particles, since a graviton has never been detected.
 
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Magnetism is a phenomenon, given to us by all the electrons spinning in the same direction, or the with the same angular momentum within ferrous metals. Magnetism and the electric field are friends like the yin and the yang. Together they form a field or a wave such as a radio wave. You cannot have one without the potential of having the other! Kinda like a handshake...It takes two.

Magnetism is fleeting and not understood entirely. Without magnetism indeed, our perceived universe would be sorely bent and very different it has been decreed...
 
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Magnetism is fleeting and not understood entirely.

Not so.
 
So everything has a degree of magnetism, via the electromagnetic spectrum, which is everything. Magnetism is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, should have worked that out by the name! Thanks everyone for the answers.
 
Simon Peach said:
So everything has a degree of magnetism, via the electromagnetic spectrum ...
Well, only in the sense that everything has a VALUE for its degree of magnetism. That degree will be zero, I believe, for something like a crystalline lattice (a diamond for example).
 

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