What is Magnetism? | Understanding Attraction & Difference from Gravity

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The discussion revolves around the nature of magnetism, its differences from gravity, and the underlying principles that govern these forces. Participants explore theoretical aspects, quantum mechanics, and the electromagnetic force, while questioning the fundamental processes behind magnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek to understand what magnetism is beyond its classification as a field and its connection to the electrical nature of atoms.
  • There is a suggestion that the fundamental process by which magnetism emerges is not fully understood.
  • One participant asserts that magnetism is fundamentally different from gravity.
  • A reference is made to quantum theory, specifically paramagnetism, in relation to magnetism and angular momentum.
  • Another participant explains that magnetism arises from moving electrical charges and describes how the perception of magnetic versus electrical forces can change based on relative velocity, as outlined by Maxwell's equations.
  • The microscopic view of magnetism is discussed, focusing on the behavior of electrons and their contribution to magnetic fields, particularly in magnetic materials.
  • Electromagnetism is identified as one of the four fundamental forces, with photons acting as the force carriers for electromagnetic interactions, while gravity is proposed to be mediated by hypothetical gravitons.
  • It is noted that particles with electrical charge can be influenced by electromagnetic fields while ignoring gravity, highlighting a distinction between the two forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of magnetism and its relationship to gravity, with no consensus reached on the fundamental processes involved or the distinctions between the two forces.

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Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and electromagnetic theory, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved within the discussion.

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Can anyone say what magnetism is beyond that it is a field and a property of the electrical nature of atoms? That is why do magnets attract? How is it different from gravity?
 
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Tregg Smith said:
Can anyone say what magnetism is beyond that it is a field and a property of the electrical nature of atoms? That is why do magnets attract? How is it different from gravity?

We do not know the fundamental process by which magnetism emerges.
 
But we know for certain it is not at all like gravity!
 
Check the quantum theory of paramagnetism about 'magnetism and angular momentum'.
 
Magnetism is the component of the electromagnetic force that is generated by moving electrical charges. If you change your speed so that the charges appear to be stationary (imagine running along side them) then the force will appear to be electrical rather than magnetic. For an electromagnet (a wire with current running through it) you could potentially "run along" with the current and instead of seeing a current with a magnetic field you'd experience a charged wire with an electrical field. The relationship between electrical and magnetic forces and velocity is described by Maxwell's equations, and has been known since the 1800s. Because "electric" and "magnetic" fields are just two ways of looking at one thing, depending on your relative velocity, they are considered one, "electromagnetic," field.

On a microscopic/quantum mechanical level the electromagnetic field results from charged particles passing photons back and forth to each other. You usually experience photons as particles of light, which is electromagnetic radiation, but there are photon versions that are purely magnetic or purely electrical, and the version you get depends on your velocity. This is the quantum basis of Maxwell's equations. When particles with opposite charges swap photons they attract each other, and that includes moving charges (magnets). For magnets, instead of referring to positive and negative charge we generally refer to north and south poles, or up and down, but again, opposites attract.

For magnetic materials (fridge magnets, etc.) the magnetism comes from the atoms, nearly all of it from the electrons. The real (quantum mechanical) picture is a weird one, but the electrons behave in many ways *as though* they were little charged spinning balls orbiting around a nucleus like planets around the sun. If charge is spinning or orbiting it's moving, and voila! you have a magnetic field. In most materials all the electrons move in random ways and cancel each other out, so you don't notice the magnetic effect. In magnets though the material properties are just right to make all the orbits align in the same direction, and so they all add up and you say "look, a magnet!"

Electromagnetism is one of the four forces in nature (yep, only four). The force is carried by photons (AKA light particles), and acts on any particle with electrical charge. Charge can come in two flavors, which we call positive and negative. Gravity is another force, and it should be carried by particles called gravitons, which have not yet been detected but which we expect to exist. Just like electromagnetism, gravity has "charge," but it only has one flavor, and we call it "mass." Particles with electrical charge and no mass will ignore gravity but be affected by electromagnetic fields, and vice versa. (Ignoring general relativistic stuff, which is complicated.)

(In case you care: the other two forces are the "strong force" which holds the nuclei of atoms together, and the "weak force," which sometimes breaks them up. Each has it's own version of "charge" and a special particle that carries the force.)
 

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