I What is physicial interpretation of deviatoric strain rate

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The discussion focuses on the physical interpretation of deviatoric strain rate and its relationship to fluid velocity in Earth's mantle convection. Deviatoric strain rate is defined as the total strain rate minus the isotropic volumetric strain rate, isolating shear effects. The second invariant of the strain rate tensor serves as a scalar measure of shear rate, which is proportional to the square root of this invariant. Participants seek clarification on the differences between the deviatoric strain rate tensor and the general strain rate tensor, as well as the implications of subtracting isotropic strain from total strain. Understanding the velocity field is crucial for interpreting the strain rates observed in the provided figures.
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How these properties are related to velocity fluid. The https://postimg.org/image/674a6sw4t/ https://postimg.org/image/674a6sw4t/ figure shows an area of Earth's mantle where upwelling of hot semi-liquid mantle is occurring in middle and then two downwelling currents on two sides (forming convection cells). The figure shows deviatoric strain rate (left) and its second invariant (right)
 
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Atr cheema said:
How these properties are related to velocity fluid. The https://postimg.org/image/674a6sw4t/ https://postimg.org/image/674a6sw4t/ figure shows an area of Earth's mantle where upwelling of hot semi-liquid mantle is occurring in middle and then two downwelling currents on two sides (forming convection cells). The figure shows deviatoric strain rate (left) and its second invariant (right)
The deviatoric strain rate is equal to the total strain rate minus the isotopic volumetric strain rate. So it "factors out" the rate of volumetric deformation. The second invariant of the strain rate tensor is usually regarded as a scalar measure of the rate of shear.
 
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Chestermiller said:
So it "factors out" the rate of volumetric deformation. .
Can you please elaborate what will remain if we subtract isotropic strain rate from total strain rate tensor? I am having difficulty in perceiving it in a physical sense.
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The second invariant of the strain rate tensor is usually regarded as a scalar measure of the rate of shear.
Is there a difference between invariant of deviatoric strain rate tensor and 'strain rate tensor'? I am worrying as you used just 'invariant of strain rate tensor' while I read it like 'second invariant of deviatoric strain rate'.
 
Atr cheema said:
Can you please elaborate what will remain if we subtract isotropic strain rate from total strain rate tensor? I am having difficulty in perceiving it in a physical sense.

Is there a difference between invariant of deviatoric strain rate tensor and 'strain rate tensor'? I am worrying as you used just 'invariant of strain rate tensor' while I read it like 'second invariant of deviatoric strain rate'.
If the strain rate were purely volumertic (isotropic) with no shear, the deviatoric part of the rate of stain tensor would be zero.

Regarding scalar shear rate, I meant to say 2nd invariant of the deviatoric strain rate tensor. The nominal scalar shear rate is often taken as being proportional to the square root of the 2nd invariant of the deviatoric strain rate tensor. If I remember correctly, the constant of proportionality is ##\sqrt{2}##. You can work that out yourself by considering simple shear flow.
 
Regarding the link you provided, what are the thermal boundary conditions? What is the nature of the flow?
 
Chestermiller said:
Regarding the link you provided, what are the thermal boundary conditions? What is the nature of the flow?
The x and y components of velocity field in the modeled area are as; ## v_x = v_x0 sin \left (2 \Pi \frac x W \ right) cos \ left ( \Pi \frac y H \ right )##
$$ v_y, = v_y0, cos \left (2 \Pi \frac x W \ right) sin \ left ( \Pi \frac y H \ right ), $$
W and H are width and height of modeled area. vxo and vyo are constants. Here is complete problem
 
Have you drawn the diagram showing the velocity vector as a function of position within the box? If so, please show us. To understand why the strain rates have the values shown, you need to understand the velocity field.

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I see that you have labelled the left figure as ##\epsilon _{xy}##. Why do you think that this is the deviatoric strain rate? Also, let's see the equation you used for calculating the 2nd invariant.
 
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Have you drawn the diagram showing the velocity vector as a function of position within the box? If so, please show us. To understand why the strain rates have the values shown, you need to understand the velocity field.
Thank you very much for your interest. Here is the velocity field diagram.
Chestermiller said:
Why do you think that this is the deviatoric strain rate? Also, let's see the equation you used for calculating the 2nd invariant.
It is because I used the equation for deviatoric strain rate to draw this diagram. I used following code of MATLAB to draw this.
Code:
for i=1:1:31
    for j=1:1:31
        dvxdy(i,j)=vx0*pi/ysize*sin(pi*x(j)/xsize*2)*sin(pi*y(i)/ysize);
         dvydx(i,j)=-vy0*pi/xsize*2*sin(pi*y(i)/ysize)*sin(pi*x(j)/xsize*2);
        eps1xy(i,j)=1/2*(dvxdy(i,j)+dvydx(i,j));
        end
end

It will be very nice of you, if you can help me interpret/justify these images.
 

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