What is Potential Energy? Learn About V=(1/2)*m*w2*x2

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The discussion revolves around the expression for potential energy in the context of simple harmonic motion, specifically the equation V=(1/2)*m*w²*x². Participants explore its meaning, implications, and relationship to total energy in oscillatory systems.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the equation V=(1/2)*m*w²*x² and seeks clarification on its meaning and context.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation represents the total energy of a system undergoing simple harmonic motion.
  • A different participant explains the relationship between potential energy in a spring and the given expression, noting that it is derived from the spring constant k and mass m.
  • Some participants argue that the expression represents potential energy specifically, while the total energy of the harmonic oscillator must also account for kinetic energy.
  • There is a discussion about the interchange between potential energy (PE) and kinetic energy (KE), with some asserting that the equation gives total energy only at specific points where KE is zero.
  • One participant uses the analogy of a simple pendulum to illustrate the relationship between PE and KE at different points in the motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the equation represents total energy or just potential energy, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist within the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the expression for total energy is only valid at turning points where kinetic energy is zero, and they note that damping effects are not relevant to this specific discussion.

TooFastTim
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Just reading up on lagrangeans and I came across an expression for potential energy I'd never seen before: V=(1/2)*m*w2*x2.

I suppose all you physics majors are familiar with it. But what is it and where can I find out more?
 
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This looks like the equation giving the total energy of a system that moves with simple harmonic motion.
 
TooFastTim said:
Just reading up on lagrangeans and I came across an expression for potential energy I'd never seen before: V=(1/2)*m*w2*x2.



Energy in a spring E=(1/2)kx^2

w=SQRT(k/m)
k = w^2m

E=(1/2)m(w^2)(x^2)

Yep. Simple harmonic oscilaror.

m = mass
w = angular frequency
x = maximum displacement / amplitude
 
It it not the total energy, it is, as the OP suggests, the potential energy. The total energy of the harmonic oscillator must also include the kinetic energy.
 
There is a continual interchange between PE and KE and the equation does give the total energy(ignoring damping).Expressing it another way it gives the maximum KE(when PE is zero) or the maximum PE(when KE is zero)
 
Dadface said:
There is a continual interchange between PE and KE and the equation does give the total energy(ignoring damping).
The expression gives the total energy only when the kinetic energy vanishes, at the turning points. Damping is irrelevant to the issue. Even if damping is present, the expression still gives the total mechanical energy of the harmoic oscillator when and only when the kinetic energy vanishes, at the turning points. In general, the expression does not give the total energy.
 
turin said:
The expression gives the total energy only when the kinetic energy vanishes, at the turning points. Damping is irrelevant to the issue. Even if damping is present, the expression still gives the total mechanical energy of the harmoic oscillator when and only when the kinetic energy vanishes, at the turning points. In general, the expression does not give the total energy.

Think of a simple pendulum,at the ends of the swing the bob has PE only and at the bottom it has KE only.At any other position it has a mixture of the two and if damping is negligible the PE plus KE remains constant.Similar reasoning can be applied to any other system that moves with SHM.
 
Thanks guys.
 

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