What is the alternative form of the extrinsic curvature in Carroll App D?

In summary, Carroll App D shows that the alternative form of extrinsic curvature should take a few lines, starting with K_{\mu\nu}=P^{\alpha}_{\mu}P^{\beta}_{\nu}\nabla_{(\alpha}n_{\beta)} where P is the projection tensor, and n is the normal to the hypersurface. Next, expanding out using the definition of the projection operator, K_{\mu\nu}=\left(\delta^{\alpha}_{\mu}-\sigma n^{\alpha}n_{\mu}\right)\left(\delta^{\beta}_{\nu}-\s
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Hi,

I'm working through Carroll App D, and trying to show the alternative form of the extrinsic curvature that he says should take a few lines.

Starting with [tex] K_{\mu\nu}=P^{\alpha}_{\mu}P^{\beta}_{\nu}\nabla_{(\alpha}n_{\beta)} [/tex] where P is the projection tensor, and n is the normal to the hypersurface.

Then I expand out using the definition of the projection operator:

[tex] K_{\mu\nu}=\left(\delta^{\alpha}_{\mu}-\sigma n^{\alpha}n_{\mu}\right)\left(\delta^{\beta}_{\nu}-\sigma n^{\beta}n_{\nu}\right) \nabla_{(\alpha}n_{\beta)} [/tex]

[tex] K_{\mu\nu}=\nabla_{(\mu}n_{\nu)}-\sigma n^{\beta}n_{\nu}\nabla_{(\mu}n_{\beta)} -\sigma n^{\alpha}n_{\mu}\nabla_{(\alpha}n_{\nu)}+n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}n^{\beta}\nabla_{(\alpha}n_{\beta)}[/tex]

focussing on the final term for a moment:

[tex]n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}n^{\beta}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\beta}+n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}n^{\beta}\nabla_{\beta}n_{\alpha}[/tex]
[tex]=2n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}n^{\beta}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\beta}[/tex]
[tex]=n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}n^{\beta}n_{\beta}[/tex]
[tex]=n_{\mu}n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}\sigma[/tex]
[tex]=0[/tex]

(follows if n is parallel transported which I think it is). Getting rid of similar terms of the form [tex] n^{\beta}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\beta} [/tex] by the same trick. Then I'm left with:

[tex] K_{\mu\nu}=\nabla_{(\mu}n_{\nu)}-\frac{1}{2}\sigma n_{\mu} n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha} n_{\nu} -\frac{1}{2}\sigma n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\mu} [/tex]

Now the only way I can think of proceeding is using the fact that n is hypersuface orthogonal [tex] n_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu}n_{\sigma]}=0 [/tex]. If you expand this and contact it with say [tex]n^{\mu} [/tex], multiply through by sigma, and use the above trick to eliminate a couple of terms, I get:

[tex] \nabla_{[\nu}n_{\mu]}-\sigma n_{\nu} n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha} n_{\mu}+\sigma n_{\mu}n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\nu}=0[/tex]

Subbing this into the above:

[tex] K_{\mu\nu}=\nabla_{(\mu}n_{\nu)}+ \nabla_{[\nu}n_{\mu]}-\frac{1}{2}\sigma n_{\nu} n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha} n_{\mu}-\frac{1}{2}\sigma n_{\nu}n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\mu} [/tex]

which is almost the desired relation, maybe I've made a few algebraic errors. But does anyone know if my general method is correct? seems more than 'a few lines...'
 
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Hi, oops I forgot to post that: [tex] K_{\mu\nu}=\nabla_{\mu}n_{\nu}-\sigma n_{\mu}a_{\nu} [/tex] where the acceleration [tex] a_{\nu}=n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}n_{\nu} [/tex]

With the method I was using I have managed to reproduce this now after correcting some factors of 2 I missed off and sign errors.

But I'm still kind of wondering about the assumptions I made: specifically [tex]n^{\alpha}\nabla_{\alpha}(n^{\beta}n_{\beta}) =0[/tex]. n here is the normal vector, and has norm [tex]n^{\beta}n_{\beta}=\pm 1 =\sigma[/tex], it seems almost common sense that this should vanish, but the fact that Carroll said we're not assuming the integral curves of [tex] n^{\mu} [/tex] are geodesics is making me think, is the character of n really conserved as we move along the integral curve? why should it be necessarily if the curve is not a geodesic?

Carroll himself uses a similar argument to arrive at the answer zero in another equation of the appendix (D.19) , where he has [tex] Y^{\nu}_{(i)}\nabla_{\nu}(n_{\mu}n^{\mu})=0[/tex], but there you are taking the directional derivative along the [tex] Y^{\mu}_{(i)} [/tex] basis vector direction, which are the basis on the hypersurface itself, so I suppose it makes sense the norm of the normal vector wouldn't change as you moved over the surface.

I seem to get the right answer, I just don't know if my method is actually sound.
 
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