What is the area of the shaded region in this geometry problem?

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The discussion revolves around finding the area of a shaded region in a geometry problem involving a square and circular segments, with specific parameters given for the radius and dimensions. Participants explore various methods, including trigonometric approaches and analytic geometry, to tackle the problem.

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  • One participant suggests that the solution may involve similar right triangles and systems of equations but finds it potentially messy.
  • Another participant claims the answer is approximately 0.3049 and hints that using trigonometry could simplify the problem.
  • A later reply provides a detailed calculation involving the hypotenuse of a triangle and angles, leading to a specific area calculation of approximately 0.304805898.
  • Another participant mentions that analytic geometry can provide a general formula for any radius r within a specified range.
  • One participant expresses frustration at not directly providing the answer, suggesting that it would hinder learning.
  • A detailed mathematical derivation is presented, involving angles and tangent functions, leading to an area calculation for a specific triangle within the problem.

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Find the area of the shaded region if r = 1/4 and each side of the square is 1.

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I know the solution can involve similar right triangles and systems of equations, but if I remember correctly this was a pretty messy way to do it.

Anyone have a simple (or more complicated) solution? You can assume everything in this image that looks relatively tangent is tangent, by the way.
 
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Thanks. I'll definitely try this one out.
 
Holy crap, Batman ... this is a VERY tricky problem. The answer is .3049

Hint ... if you do it the hard way, you'll end up gnawing your arm off to get out of the trap. Use some trig; that makes it less nasty.
 
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phinds said:
Holy crap, Batman ... this is a VERY tricky problem. The answer is .3049

Hint ... if you do it the hard way, you'll end up gnawing your arm off to get out of the trap. Use some trig; that makes it less nasty.
Nice work.

Can you please explain how you did it? Or at least give some good hints :)
 
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guss said:
Or at least give some good hints :)

Hint, without giving away too much: When does a quadratic have only one root?

Think about that for a while until you see how that might relate to this problem.

Hint: Once you see that the problem is simple.
 
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In Fig. 1, the green triangle has an hypotenuse of h = sqrt(2) - sqrt(2 * 0.25^2) = sqrt(2) - sqrt(1/8), so the angle at A is arcsin(0.25 / h).

In Fig.2, considering the blue triangle, the angle B is PI/4 and the angle C is PI - A - B, while one side is given: the square's diagonal, sqrt(2).

The gray area, then, is half the area of the square minus the area of the blue triangle. I get 1/2 - (sqrt(17) - 1)/16, or 0.304805898.
 
It is also possible thanks to analytic geometry.
This provides the general formula for any r (0 < r < 0.5)
 

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Gee dodo, why don't you just GIVE him the answer. That way he's sure to learn something.
 
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Note that \angle AOC = \angle DBC = \theta
Also, AB=BD=k

  DC = DB tan\theta = k tan\theta
\Rightarrow OC = OD + DC = 0.25 + k tan\theta

  \frac{OA}{OC} = cos\theta
\Rightarrow \frac{0.25}{0.25 + k tan\theta} = cos\theta
\Rightarrow k = \frac{1}{4}\frac{1-cos\theta}{sin\theta} = 0.25 tan\frac{\theta}{2}

Consider \Delta BEF ,
BE = 0.75 - k = 0.75 - 0.25 tan\frac{\theta}{2}

Now, \frac{FE}{BE} = tan\theta
\Rightarrow \frac{1}{0.75 - 0.25 tan\frac{\theta}{2}} = tan\theta
\Rightarrow \frac{4}{3-tan\frac{\theta}{2}} = tan\theta
\Rightarrow tan\frac{\theta}{2} = \frac{1}{2} (\sqrt{17} -3)

Area of Consider \Delta BEF = \frac{1}{2}(BE)(EF) = \frac{1}{2}(\frac{3}{4}-\frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{2} (\sqrt{17} -3))(1) = \frac{9-\sqrt{17}}{16}
 
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