What is the Best Expression for the Acceleration of a Moving Particle?

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The discussion revolves around determining the best expression for the acceleration of a moving particle based on a position versus time graph. The problem involves analyzing different expressions for acceleration and understanding their implications in the context of motion.

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  • Participants explore the validity of various expressions for acceleration and question the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and inflection points. There is a focus on the definitions of inflection points and local extrema, as well as the implications of the constants involved in the equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the definitions of inflection points and their relevance to the problem. Some participants suggest reconsidering the interpretation of constants and the implications of the graph, while others emphasize the importance of understanding the relationship between derivatives and motion.

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There is a mention of potential constraints related to the values of constants and the interpretation of the graph, particularly regarding the sign of certain variables and the nature of stationary points. Participants are also navigating the definitions of mathematical terms relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


The accompanying graph of position x versus time t represents the motion of a particle. If p and q are both
positive constants, the expression that best describes the acceleration  of the particle is
x vs t.png

Homework Equations


(A) a = – - p -– qt (B) a = –p + qt (C) a = p + qt (D) a = p –- qt

The Attempt at a Solution


In a given solution (D) is the correct answer.

But if we integrate the differential eq obtained from a = p-qt , we get velocity v = pt -0.5qt^2+c
the value of v ie dx/dt =0 for the inflexion pts on x vs t curve and we can get two values of t of the quadratic equation qt^2 -2pt -2c =0 but this gives one negative value of t which is impossible.
Then is (D) option correct? what is my wrong approach ?[/B]
 
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The acceleration is zero at the inflection point, not the velocity.

Chet
 
Chestermiller said:
The acceleration is zero at the inflection point, not the velocity.

Chet
the plot was x-t . why not v=dx/dt = 0 at inflection pts?
 
dk_ch said:
the plot was x-t . why not v=dx/dt = 0 at inflection pts?
An inflection point is one in which the second derivative is zero. On an x-t plot, the velocity is maximum (or minimum) at an inflection point. Take a look at the x vs t plot. Does it really look to you like dx/dt = 0 at the inflection point?

Chet
 
Because that is not the definition of an inflection point but that of a local extrema. The definition of an inflection point is that the curvature changes sign. This means that the second derivative should be zero and that the lowest non-vanishing derivative after that must be an odd derivative (ie, third derivative, fifth derivative, etc). But back to your actual question.

dk_ch said:
we can get two values of t of the quadratic equation qt^2 -2pt -2c =0 but this gives one negative value of t which is impossible.

Normalizing with q = 1, we would get
$$
t = p \pm \sqrt{p^2 + c}.
$$
This does not mean that one of the roots is negative. If you look at your graph again, what is the sign of c? (First of all: What is the interpretation of c?)
 
Orodruin said:
Because that is not the definition of an inflection point but that of a local extrema. The definition of an inflection point is that the curvature changes sign. This means that the second derivative should be zero and that the lowest non-vanishing derivative after that must be an odd derivative (ie, third derivative, fifth derivative, etc). But back to your actual question.
Normalizing with q = 1, we would get
$$
t = p \pm \sqrt{p^2 + c}.
$$
This does not mean that one of the roots is negative. If you look at your graph again, what is the sign of c? (First of all: What is the interpretation of c?)
Actually I mean stationary inflection pts where first derivative is zero and in the graph there are two points where dx/dt is zero.. if t =0 then c = v ,at t=0, dx/dt is negative,hence c also. THANKS ALL for help.
 
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Well, you do not have any saddle points in the graph ... What you have is a minimum and a maximum, i.e., just two stationary points.

Back to the c issue. What does c describe? (Hint: What happens in your equations when t = 0?)
 
You can answer in a more qualitative way. You can see from the graph that the second derivative is positive in the beginning (concave upwards) and negative in the end.
This means acceleration starting positive and ending negative. Only one answer satisfies this.
 
nasu said:
You can answer in a more qualitative way. You can see from the graph that the second derivative is positive in the beginning (concave upwards) and negative in the end.
This means acceleration starting positive and ending negative. Only one answer satisfies this.
thanks
 
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nasu said:
You can answer in a more qualitative way. You can see from the graph that the second derivative is positive in the beginning (concave upwards) and negative in the end.
This means acceleration starting positive and ending negative. Only one answer satisfies this.
thanks
 

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