What is the best way to draw Lewis structures for transition metals?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around drawing Lewis structures for transition metals and related ions, including specific examples such as PCl+, F-, Fe3+, and Co3+. Participants explore the implications of oxidation states and the application of Lewis structures to these elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether PCl+ refers to a molecule with one phosphorus atom and four chlorine atoms or if it involves charged chlorine ions.
  • Another participant confirms that PCl+ consists of one phosphorus atom and four chlorine atoms, with the entire molecule carrying a +1 charge.
  • Discussion includes how to represent F-, Fe3+, and Co3+ in Lewis structures, with some participants suggesting specific dot arrangements around the transition metals.
  • One participant notes that applying Lewis structure rules to transition metals is problematic, as these elements often do not adhere to the octet rule and may follow the 18 electron rule instead.
  • Another participant challenges the use of brackets in Lewis structures, suggesting that oxidation states should be considered when determining electron counts for the structures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Lewis structures to transition metals, with some advocating for traditional methods while others argue that these methods are inadequate for such elements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to represent transition metals in Lewis structures.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in applying Lewis structures to transition metals, noting that these elements often deviate from standard rules due to their electron configurations and oxidation states.

devanlevin
if i am told to draw a lewis diagram for
PCl^{+}_{4}
does this mean a melocule of 1P atom and 4 Cl atoms, the whole molecule with a charge of +1 or is it 1 P atom and 4 Cl^{+} ions, giving the molecule a charge of +4

what does the lewis structure look like, is it P in the middle with Cl on each of its 4 sides, all in square brackets with a + sign after the brackets.

does anyone know of a site that has a tool where i can plug in the molecule and get the structure?
 
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devanlevin said:
1P atom and 4 Cl atoms, the whole molecule with a charge of +1

That's it.

what does the lewis structure look like, is it P in the middle with Cl on each of its 4 sides, all in square brackets with a + sign after the brackets.

Sounds OK.
 
what are the lewis structure for these ions?

F^{-}
is it [F]^{-}

Fe^{3+}
is it [Fe]^{3+} with 5 dots around the Fe, (5 valence electrons) Fe^{3+} : [Ar]4s^{2}3d^{3}

Co^{3+}
is it [Co]^{3+} with 6 dots around Co

generally how are the transition metals displayed in lewis structure since they arent in any of the 7 colums of valance electrons
 
PCl4+:

Write P in the center. Draw a single bond to each of four Cl atoms.

P normally has five electrons. With only four bonds, it has a formal charge of +1. Good thing that fifth electron took a hike, huh?

Each of the four chlorines is stuck at the end of a single bond, with three lone pairs. The formal charge is zero for each.

Therefore, the entire molecule has a charge of +1.

F-:

Draw F in the center. Surround it with 4 lone pairs. The formal charge is now -1. Done.

Iron, Cobalt:

Applying the rules for lewis dot structures to transition metals really isn't the best idea. Even atoms in the non-metals get sort of snarky as you go further down. Nitrogen has to stop at four bonds, but phosphorous can have five (using not just its s and p orbitals, but its brand new d-orbitals as well). Carbon is stable in methane with CH4, but Silicon in silane (SiH4) burns immediately on contact with air -- the extra d orbitals again. Sort of like extra parking spaces for reaction intermediates.

And the transition metals? Worst of all. They mostly ignore the octet rule (though some do kind of like the 18 electron rule, which you may hear about later). So trying to make them follow Lewis structure rules is kind of like tying a knot in water -- it's too easy to break the rules for the rules to make much sense.
 
devanlevin said:
what are the lewis structure for these ions?

F^{-}
is it [F]^{-}

Fe^{3+}
is it [Fe]^{3+} with 5 dots around the Fe, (5 valence electrons) Fe^{3+} : [Ar]4s^{2}3d^{3}

Co^{3+}
is it [Co]^{3+} with 6 dots around Co

generally how are the transition metals displayed in lewis structure since they arent in any of the 7 colums of valance electrons

Why are you using brackets in a Lewis dot structure? Don't!

In your examples, first you determine the oxidation state of the element(s). If the oxidation state is positive, you subtract electrons (or dots, 'x's', o's, etc...) from the neutral element. For example, NCl3 would have an oxidation number of +3 for nitrogen and -1 for each chlorine. The lewis dot structures for those would be an 'N' with two dots (5-3=2) and three 'Cl' with eight 'o's'(7+1=8). Together it would be a central 'N' surrounded by with two 'dots' and 6 'o's'; three sides would have a chlorine with 8 'o's', two of those being shared with the nitrogen.

Transition metals follow the 18 electron rule, not the 8 electron rule.
 
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