What Is the Center of Inertia and How Does It Compare to Center of Mass?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of center of inertia and center of mass, exploring their definitions, differences, and implications in physics, particularly in relation to rotational motion and moment of inertia.

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  • Some participants inquire about the definition of the center of inertia and whether it is the same as the center of mass.
  • There are questions regarding the calculation of the center of inertia and its practical applications.
  • A participant provides a mathematical example involving a turntable and a thin hoop to illustrate the concept of center of inertia in relation to moment of inertia.
  • Another participant suggests that moment of inertia should be emphasized instead of mass when discussing these concepts.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of the center of inertia as a concept, with one participant asserting that inertia is a quantitative concept.
  • Some participants express confusion or seek clarification on the topic, indicating a lack of understanding.
  • There are references to external sources for definitions, but some participants point out that the links provided are not valid.
  • One participant asks for examples where the center of mass differs from the center of inertia.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the definitions and validity of the center of inertia, with multiple competing views and ongoing questions about its relationship to the center of mass and moment of inertia.

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Some definitions and concepts discussed may depend on specific interpretations or contexts, and there are unresolved questions regarding the mathematical relationships involved.

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What is the center of inertia? Is it the same as the center of mass?
 
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What other component of inertia can have space-like - center - dimensions?
 
I don't understand.
 
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Mathman, all of the links in the body of your text point to nonexistent pages. PF doesn't have a wiki.
 
How to calculate it?
 
Can anyone give an example where it is easy to see that the center of mass is not the center of inertia?
 
As I understand the concept from the rather terse dictionary definition...

Suppose that you have a turntable. On this turntable you have an object. The "center of inertia" of the object is where you could place its entire mass and wind up with the same moment of inertia as the original object.

Suppose, for instance that the object is a thin hoop of mass m, radius r placed flat on the turntable with its center R units from the center of the turntable. The moment of inertia of this hoop with respect to the center of the turntable is ##mr^2 + mR^2##.

Its "center of inertia", C, is at distance ##\sqrt{r^2+R^2}## from the center of the turntable so that the moment of inertia works out to ##mC^2 = mr^2 + mR^2##
 
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Shouldn't moment of inertia be used instead of the masses?
 
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Have a look at radius of gyration (mechanics), it assumes all the mass is concentrated at a single point and radius.
For instance a cylinder with a mass of 10 kg and a radius of 0.1 metres, rotating about its longitudinal axis has a moment of inertia of
0.04 kg - m², the radius of gyration = 0.0632 metres
 
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Is center of inertia a valid concept? I think inertia is quantitative concept.
 

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