What Is the Correct Node Analysis for Calculating Voltages at Nodes A and B?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of node analysis to calculate the voltages at nodes A and B in a circuit, following an initial mesh analysis. Participants are attempting to derive equations based on Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) to solve for the voltages.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their mesh analysis results, providing current values and initial equations for node analysis.
  • Another participant identifies a potential error in the original equations, pointing out the mixing of voltage and current terms.
  • A subsequent reply suggests a correction to the equation involving the voltage terms, indicating that the input was incorrect and proposes a revised equation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the application of KCL, emphasizing that the sum of currents out of a node must equal zero, leading to an alternative formulation of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the equations presented. There are multiple competing views on how to properly set up the node analysis equations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the final forms of these equations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the equations presented, particularly concerning the mixing of voltage and current terms. The assumptions underlying the equations and the specific circuit configuration are not fully detailed.

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Homework Statement


Using mesh analysis work out the currents flow through each of the three meshes. From these current values calculate the voltage of node A and node B with respect to the ground node. XX V has a value of 13.

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Homework Equations


KCL
KVL


The Attempt at a Solution


Well I figured out the mesh analysis easy enough. Obtaining, I1=.046, I2=.398 and I3=-.5908. Got to the node analysis and haven't got a clue. I came up with

1. V1/15 = 3 + [V1 -(V2+30)/40] + [V1-V2]/10

2. [V1-V2]/10 + [V1 -(V2+300)/40] = V2/20 + [(V2+17)/25]

Which gave me V1 = 187.5
V2 = 105.5
 
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Cricket.sign said:

Homework Statement


Using mesh analysis work out the currents flow through each of the three meshes. From these current values calculate the voltage of node A and node B with respect to the ground node. XX V has a value of 13.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29385059@N07/2744576925/


Homework Equations


KCL
KVL


The Attempt at a Solution


Well I figured out the mesh analysis easy enough. Obtaining, I1=.046, I2=.398 and I3=-.5908. Got to the node analysis and haven't got a clue. I came up with

1. V1/15 = 3 + [V1 -(V2+30)/40] + [V1-V2]/10

2. [V1-V2]/10 + [V1 -(V2+300)/40] = V2/20 + [(V2+17)/25]

Which gave me V1 = 187.5
V2 = 105.5

In your two equations there is a term where you mix voltages and currents:
1. [V1 -(V2+30)/40] where V1 is a voltage and (V2+30)/40 is a current
2. [V1 -(V2+300)/40] the same

Redo your equations
 
[V1 -(V2+30)/40] is actually incorrectly input. It should be (V1-V2-30)/40. Not sur if that changes anything, but I think it should
 
Cricket.sign said:
[V1 -(V2+30)/40] is actually incorrectly input. It should be (V1-V2-30)/40. Not sur if that changes anything, but I think it should

It changes, but it is not correct yet. According to KCL, the sum of the currents out of a node must be zero. Using your reference it should be:
\frac{V_1}{15}+3+\frac{V_1-V_2-30}{40}+\frac{V_1-V_2}{10}=0
 

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