What is the Definition and Equivalence of the Norm of a Bounded Operator?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and equivalence of the norm of a bounded operator in the context of Hilbert spaces. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the operator norm and its implications, particularly focusing on verifying inequalities related to the norm.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the verification that the operator norm ||A|| serves as a bound for A, questioning the inequality ||Aψ|| ≤ ||A|| ||ψ||.
  • Another participant corrects the initial definition provided, stating that it should be a supremum rather than an infimum.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the correction and expresses understanding.
  • One participant suggests restricting to vectors of unit length for clarity in defining the operator norm.
  • Another participant asserts that the term "operator" in this context typically refers to linear operators.
  • A participant references Rudin's Real & Complex Analysis, noting that the norm of A can be defined in multiple equivalent ways, including the supremum of ||Aψ|| for non-zero ψ and for unit norm ψ.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the initial confusion regarding the definition of the operator norm, but participants agree on the equivalence of different formulations of the norm as stated in Rudin's text. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the initial misunderstanding.

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Participants highlight the importance of definitions and the assumptions involved, particularly regarding the linearity of operators and the conditions under which the norm is evaluated.

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I'm having trouble with this for some reason. If A:\mathcal{H}\to \mathcal{H} is a bounded operator between Hilbert spaces, the norm of A is
||A|| = \inf\limits_{\psi \neq 0} \frac{||A\psi||}{||\psi||}.
My trouble is in verifying that ||A|| is in fact a bound for A in the sense that ||A\psi|| \leq ||A|| ||\psi||. I'm actually not even sure if that's true, but I was able to verify this by the definition given here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_norm. I basically just want to make sure the definitions are equivalent. The trouble is that if \psi\in \mathcal{H}, then by definition ||A|| \leq \frac{||A\psi||}{||\psi||} and this gives the incorrect inequality.
Did I overlook something?
 
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||A|| = \inf\limits_{\psi \neq 0} \frac{||A\psi||}{||\psi||}
That's supposed to be a supremum.
 
Ah, that makes perfect sense. I should have realized that. Thanks.
 
and you can restrict to phi of length one for clarity.

so the definition is just the (largest) radius of the image of the unit sphere.
 
Is that for a general operator, or have you assumed linearity?
 
to my knowledge, the word "operator" in ths context of hilbert space always means linear operator.
 
Euclid said:
My trouble is in verifying that \|A\| is in fact a bound for A in the sense that \|A\psi\| \leq \|A\| \|\psi\|

Notably, in Rudin's Real & Comlex Analysis, the norm of A is defined by the above, and by

\|A\| = \sup\limits_{\psi \neq 0} \frac{\|A\psi\|}{\|\psi\|}

and by

\|A\| = \sup \left\{\|A\psi\| : \|\psi\| =1\right\}

(as mathwonk said) and these are equivalent.
 
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