What is the difference between an 'increasing gradient' and a positive gradient?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the difference between an 'increasing gradient' and a 'positive gradient' in the context of the function f(x) = 3 + 6x - 2x^3. Participants are exploring the implications of these terms as they relate to the behavior of the graph of the function.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning whether a positive gradient is synonymous with an increasing gradient. Some provide definitions and examples to illustrate their points, while others seek clarification on the terms used.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the definitions of the gradients and how to determine them through derivatives. There is a recognition of the need to differentiate between the two concepts, and some guidance has been provided regarding the use of the second derivative to analyze the behavior of the gradient.

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There is mention of differing answers found in a textbook, which has prompted the inquiry into the definitions of the terms. The discussion also references the need to consider local properties of the function when analyzing gradients.

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Homework Statement


f(x)= 3+6x-2x^3

(a) Determine the values of x for which the graph of f has positive gradient
(b) Find the values of x for which the graph of f has increasing gradient

Homework Equations


I had originally thought the two terms meant the same thing, but when I checked the answers at the back of the book, they gave two different answers.


The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't a positive gradient an increasing one?
 
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An increasing gradient means that the gradient itself is increasing.
 
So when a line is at more than 45 degrees, you mean?
 
Or do you mean increasing from one stage to the next?
 
If the gradient of the gradient is positive, then it is an increasing gradient.
Do you know how to check for that?
 
Dramacon said:

Homework Statement


f(x)= 3+6x-2x^3

(a) Determine the values of x for which the graph of f has positive gradient
(b) Find the values of x for which the graph of f has increasing gradient

Homework Equations


I had originally thought the two terms meant the same thing, but when I checked the answers at the back of the book, they gave two different answers.


The Attempt at a Solution


Isn't a positive gradient an increasing one?

suppose our function was g(x) = 2x + 3.

at any given point, the gradient (slope of the graph) is constant, it is 2.

note that g'(x) = 2 is positive, but it ISN'T increasing, it's flat.

to see whether or not the gradient is increasing/decreasing/neither, you need to find the gradient of the gradient.

in terms of derivatives, this means you need to look at the second derivative, to tell whether the first derivative is increasing, decreasing, or "flat". note that these are "local" properties, the answers you get depend on "which x" you look at.
 
Ah, I see! :) Thank you! This makes so much more sense now.
 

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