What is the difference between differentiability and continuity at a point?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of differentiability and continuity of functions at a specific point, particularly in the context of limits and derivatives.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of continuity and differentiability, questioning how they relate to limits. Some provide specific conditions for continuity and differentiability, while others discuss the implications of these definitions.

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Several participants have offered definitions and examples to illustrate the differences between continuity and differentiability. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions underlying these concepts, particularly regarding the limits involved in differentiability.

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Some participants reference specific functions, such as y = |x|, to highlight the differences between continuity and differentiability. There are also mentions of potential misunderstandings regarding the nature of limits used in the definitions.

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Could someone explain this to me in terms of limits and derivatives instead of plain english?

For example, how would you solve a question that says

find whether the function f is differentiable at x=n

and a question that asks

find whether the function f is continuous at = n



thanks for any help
 
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Read:
http://www.math.wfu.edu/tutorials/Math111/ContinuityandDifferentiability.pdf

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The function y= |x| is continuous at x= 0 but not differentiable there. Look at its graph.
It is a basic theorem that if a function is differentiable at a point, then it is continuous that but the other way around is not true.

Essentially, saying that a function is continuous means that its graph has no "breaks". Saying that a function is differentiable means that its graph has no "corners" as well.

Oops! That was "plain English" and you said "in terms of limits and derivatives instead of plain english".

A function, f, is "continuous at x= n" if and only if
1) f(n) exists
2) [itex]\lim_{x\to n} f(x)[/itex] exits
3) [itex]\lim_{x\to n} f(x)= f(n)[/itex]
(since (3) wouldn't make sense if the two sides didn't exist, we often just cite it)

A function, f, is "differentable at x= n" if and only if
[tex]\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n+h)- f(n)}{h}[/tex]
exists.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
A function, f, is "differentable at x= n" if and only if
[tex]\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n+h)- f(n)}{h}[/tex]
exists.

But this is not enough to satisfy continuity. To be differentiable, the function has to also be continuous (or equivalently (?), differentiating from the left must equal differentiating from the right).

[tex]\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n+h)- f(n)}{h} = \lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n)- f(n-h)}{h}[/tex]
 
? Why are you assuming that I was requiring h to be positive? "[itex]\lim_{h\to 0}[/itex]", as opposed to "[itex]\lim_{h\to 0^+}[/itex]" or "[itex]\lim_{h\to 0^-}[/itex]" is the "two sided limit".
 
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clamtrox said:
But this is not enough to satisfy continuity. To be differentiable, the function has to also be continuous (or equivalently (?), differentiating from the left must equal differentiating from the right).

[tex]\lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n+h)- f(n)}{h} = \lim_{h\to 0} \frac{f(n)- f(n-h)}{h}[/tex]

This is already implied in the original definition, because that definition did not restrict the sign of h.

RGV
 
clamtrox said:
But this is not enough to satisfy continuity.
Differentiability IS enough to satisfy continuity. To see this, suppose that [itex]f[/itex] is differentiable at [itex]n[/itex]. Note that if [itex]h \neq 0[/itex], then
[tex]f(n+h) - f(n) = \frac{f(n+h) - f(n)}{h} \cdot h[/tex]
Taking limits of both sides:
[tex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \left(f(n+h) - f(n)\right) = \lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \left(\frac{f(n+h) - f(n)}{h} \cdot h\right) = \left(\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(n+h) - f(n)}{h}\right) \cdot \left(\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} h\right) = f'(n) \cdot 0 = 0[/tex]
Therefore [itex]\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} f(n+h) = f(n)[/itex], so [itex]f[/itex] is continuous at [itex]n[/itex].
 
:D oops! Disregard that, I don't know anything about mathematics!
 

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