What is the difference between velocity and speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the distinction between velocity and speed, exploring their definitions, implications in physics, and the role of direction in these concepts. Participants engage in clarifying these terms and their applications in various contexts, including theoretical and practical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that velocity includes both magnitude and direction, while speed is solely a measure of magnitude.
  • One participant mentions that there is no such thing as a "negative direction," suggesting that acceleration can be positive or negative depending on the context.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that speed can remain constant while direction changes, leading to acceleration, particularly in the context of satellites.
  • There is a discussion about the conventions of defining positive and negative directions, with some arguing that it is arbitrary and depends on the observer's perspective.
  • A participant emphasizes that in physics, acceleration is defined as the time derivative of velocity, not speed, and acknowledges the complexity of separating speed and direction conceptually.
  • Some participants express confusion about how different observers can agree on directionality and the implications of using positive and negative in one-dimensional problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of velocity and speed, with no consensus reached on the interpretation of directionality and its impact on acceleration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of conventions in defining directions and the potential for confusion when multiple observers are involved. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations in separating speed from direction in a physical context.

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I don't understand the difference between them !
Any help ?
 
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Velocity has a magnitude and direction. Speed is magnitude only with no indication of direction.
 
Velocity is speed and direction. :)
 
There's no such thing as a "negative direction". An increase in speed is a positive acceleration and a decrease is a negative one.
Bear in mind as well that the speed can remain constant and there will still be an acceleration if the direction changes. For instance, a satellite undergoes perpetual acceleration because it never stops changing direction as it falls around the planet.

edit: Actually, I'm not entirely sure about that last statement. By Einsteinian physics, a curved path through a gravitational field is actually a straight line in curved space, but I think that Newtonian terms apply to this subject.
 
Danger said:
There's no such thing as a "negative direction". An increase in speed is a positive acceleration and a decrease is a negative one.
For straight line motion, positive and negative can define directions with respect to some axis. An acceleration is a vector. If it points in the positive direction, it is positive.
 
I don't quite follow that, Al. Do you mean that someone can just arbitrarily deem "north" to be positive and "south" to be negative? If so, how do multiple observers decide whose opinion is correct?
(Not trying to be a smart-***; I honestly don't get it.)
No rush for an answer; it's 5:30 am and I've been up for 20 hours. I'm going to sleep now.
 
Both are correct. Say you define "positive" wherever you happen to be facing. Two people won't disagree on the velocity of a car just because they happen to be facing different directions.
 
Danger said:
Do you mean that someone can just arbitrarily deem "north" to be positive and "south" to be negative? If so, how do multiple observers decide whose opinion is correct?
It's just a convention. It's neither correct not wrong.

Danger said:
An increase in speed is a positive acceleration and a decrease is a negative one.
This is the layman definition of "acceleration". In physics "acceleration" is the time derivative of velocity, not of speed.
 
Danger said:
I don't quite follow that, Al. Do you mean that someone can just arbitrarily deem "north" to be positive and "south" to be negative? If so, how do multiple observers decide whose opinion is correct?
They must all use the same convention, of course. You can also just use "north" and "south" themselves to specify the direction of a vector.

But it's quite useful to use positive and negative for one-dimensional problems. For example, for a ball tossed straight up in the air, often "up" is taken as positive and "down" as negative. Makes the algebra easy to do. (But you are free to choose your description of the direction as you please.)
 
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A.T. said:
In physics "acceleration" is the time derivative of velocity, not of speed.
My phrasing might have been ill-advised. I deliberately separated velocity into its two components of speed and direction, but perhaps didn't stress enough that they can't be physically separate from one another. (Nuts! I'm still not expressing myself properly. I think that I'll just go home now. Thanks for the responses, guys.)
 

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