What is the effect of a complex pole on control system stability?

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The discussion focuses on the effect of complex poles on the stability of a control system, particularly through the analysis of a given transfer function. Participants explore the implications of poles and zeros on system behavior, including stability and oscillatory response.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a transfer function and expresses confusion about the roles of poles and zeros in determining system stability.
  • Another participant clarifies that stability is determined by poles, stating that poles on the complex axis indicate marginal stability, which can lead to instability under certain conditions.
  • A third participant notes that the transfer function has poles to the right of the imaginary axis, indicating instability according to the Nyquist criterion.
  • A later reply questions whether the presence of other poles might mitigate the instability caused by the poles on the right side of the axis.
  • Participants discuss the role of zeros, with one questioning what effect zeros have if they do not influence stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that poles determine stability, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of complex poles and the role of zeros in the system's response. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of the system's configuration on stability.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the interaction between poles and zeros, as well as the specific conditions under which stability is assessed. The mathematical steps leading to conclusions about stability are not fully resolved.

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Readers interested in control systems, stability analysis, and the mathematical foundations of system behavior may find this discussion relevant.

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Let's say I have the following transfer function:

G(s)=\frac { s-1 }{ { s }^{ 4 }+2{ s }^{ 3 }+{ 3 }s^{ 2 }+{ 4s }+5 }

Which is run through MATLAB to obtain the pole-zero format:

G(s)=\frac { s-1 }{ ({ s }^{ 2 }+2.576s+2.394)({ s }^{ 2 }-0.5756s+2.088) }

Using a quadratic solver such as this one, both poles are found to be complex.

I still can't tell the difference between a pole and a zero in terms of system stability. From my understanding of poles and zeroes, roots that are located on the left hand side make the system stable while those on the right hand side make it unstable. Therefore, am I correct to assume that since the zero is 1, the system is unstable? And since the poles are complex, the system oscillates forever without reaching a steady state?
 
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Stability is determined by poles, not zeros. Poles on the complex axis make the system marginally stable, which means the system is unstable since a bounded input at the frequency on the axis will result in an unbounded output.
 
Your transfer function has two poles that lie to the right of the imaginary axis, so it's unstable per the Nyquist criterion.
 
I see, so the system is unstable because the poles are to the right of the y axis, making the response an increasing sinusoidal? Won't it be canceled to a degree by the other two poles which work to reduce the response?

If the zero has no effect on stability, what does it affect then?
 
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