What is the equivalent of a group in category theory?

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The discussion explores the concept of groups within the framework of category theory, examining how groups can be represented as categories and the implications of this representation. Participants delve into the definitions of categories, morphisms, and the relationships between different mathematical structures.

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  • Some participants propose that a group can be viewed as a category with a single object where all morphisms are isomorphisms.
  • Others argue that a group requires an algebraic structure, including a binary operation, which is distinct from the basic structure of a set.
  • A participant mentions that category theory emphasizes the importance of morphisms over objects, suggesting that understanding morphisms is crucial in any mathematical study.
  • There is a discussion about functors, with some participants highlighting their role in transforming both objects and morphisms between categories.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the general usefulness of category theory, suggesting it may be more relevant in specific contexts like homological algebra or cosmology.
  • Another participant notes that while category theory provides a different perspective, it may not be necessary for all areas of mathematics.

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Participants express a range of views on the relationship between groups and categories, with no consensus reached on the necessity or utility of category theory in general mathematical practice.

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Some discussions include assumptions about the definitions of categories and groups, as well as the implications of viewing mathematical structures through the lens of category theory. The conversation reflects varying levels of familiarity with the concepts discussed.

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I understand that in group theory, a group consists of a set and a binary operation for the elements in the set, and of course all the group axioms. But if we move away from set theory into category theory, is a group defined on a category?
 
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A category is defined by objects and morphisms, which are mappings between the objects that respect the structure of the objects.
Groups and (group) homomorphisms are an example of a category.
Sets and functions are another example of a category.
Others are (vector spaces, linear transformations), (topological spaces, continuous functions), (rings, ring homomorphisms), (##\mathbb{C}^n##, differentiable functions) and so on.

Some objects can even belong to more than one category, e.g. ##\mathbb{R}^n## is a group, a ring, an algebra, a vector space and a topological space and all are usually always sets. The functions between categories are called functors. They map objects from one category to another, e.g. a group to its underlying set, and also the morphisms: homomorphisms to functions. This particular functor is called forgetful-functor, because it forgets the structure of the group.
 
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fresh_42 said:
A category is defined by objects and morphisms, which are mappings between the objects that respect the structure of the objects.
Groups and (group) homomorphisms are an example of a category.
Sets and functions are another example of a category.
Others are (vector spaces, linear transformations), (topological spaces, continuous functions), (rings, ring homomorphisms), (##\mathbb{C}^n##, differentiable functions) and so on.

Some objects can even belong to more than one category, e.g. ##\mathbb{R}^n## is a group, a ring, an algebra, a vector space and a topological space and all are usually always sets. The functions between categories are called functors. They map objects from one category to another, e.g. a group to its underlying set, and also the morphisms: homomorphisms to functions. This particular functor is called forgetful-functor, because it forgets the structure of the group.
Should I learn category theory? Sounds like it could be useful.
 
Krunchyman said:
Should I learn category theory? Sounds like it could be useful.
... to achieve what? Should I and useful depend on a system of values that I don't know. It is partly useful to better understand the nature of constructions like tensor products, direct sums or what is meant, if someone says exact differential form, and why they are so widely used. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is useful in a general case, except for the study of say cosmology or other realms where homological constructions and topology play a major role. In my opinion it is useful to read a bit about the terms I've mentioned in a book about homological algebra, esp. about the universal property. I would not go as far as to say study it, because it is a rather abstract point of view.
 
Krunchyman said:
I understand that in group theory, a group consists of a set and a binary operation for the elements in the set, and of course all the group axioms. But if we move away from set theory into category theory, is a group defined on a category?

A group is a category with one object in which all of the morphisms are isomorphisms.
 
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Krunchyman said:
I understand that in group theory, a group consists of a set and a binary operation for the elements in the set, and of course all the group axioms. But if we move away from set theory into category theory, is a group defined on a category?
A group requires structure beyond that of a set, where you have the barebones structure of whether an element belongs to a set or not; it requires algebraic structure: an operation, I believe binary from pairs of the group into the group. Category theory, as I understand it, is the perspective that you can gain understanding of structures by understanding the elements as well as mappings between them that preserve structure in a precise sense/definition.
 
to me the lesson from category theory is that morphisms are more important than objects. so in any subject you study, learn what a morphism is, and especially learn what an isomorphism is. learn a few things from a category perspective, such as a "product" of two objects X,Y is not necessarily the set iof all pairs (x,y) with x in X and y in Y, but rather it is an object Z together with a pair of morphisms Z-->X and Z-->Y, such that, for any W, a morphism W-->Z is equivalent to two morphisms W-->X and W-->Y.
 
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to me the lesson from category theory is that morphisms are more importamnt than objects. so in any subject you study, learn what a morphism is, and especially learn what an isomorphism is. learn a few things from a category perspective, such as a "product" of two objects X,Y is not necessarily the set iof all pairs (x,y) with x in X and y in Y, but rather it is an object Z together with a pair of morphisms Z-->X and Z-->Y, such that, for any W, a morphism W-->Z is equivalent to two morphisms W-->X and W-->Y.

Similar to the idea of a morphism, is the idea of a functor. It applies to many different areas of mathematics.
 
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yes i especially like the ideas codifed by functors. this is a precise version of the notion that morphisms are at least as important as objects, since a functor must tell how to transform, not just old objects into new ones, but also old morphisms into new ones. especially recommended to beginners is the fact that all functors carry isomorhisms of the old sort, into isomorphisms of the new sort. I recall amusement at finding in the old fashioned (but well regarded) topology book of hocking and young, after proving homology had the properties of a functor, the separate proof that a homeomorphism induces an isomorphism in homology.
 

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