What is the factorization of $30x^4-41x^3y-129x^2y^2+100xy^3+150y^4$?

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial $30x^4-41x^3y-129x^2y^2+100xy^3+150y^4$. Participants explore various methods for factorization, including the use of the rational roots theorem and the Ruffini algorithm, while considering the polynomial as a function of $x$ with $y$ as a parameter.

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  • One participant requests help to factor the polynomial and mentions difficulty with grouping terms.
  • Another participant suggests considering the polynomial as $P_y(x)$ and proposes roots of the form $x=ky$, leading to the equation $30k^4-41k^3-129k^2+100k+150=0$.
  • Using the rational roots theorem, roots $k=-3/2$ and $k=5/3$ are identified, suggesting a factorization involving these roots.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed and questions the applicability of the rational roots theorem to similar polynomials.
  • Another participant applies the Ruffini algorithm to find a quotient polynomial after factoring out one root, leading to further factorization steps.
  • Further calculations are presented to factor the resulting polynomial, ultimately leading to a complete factorization involving quadratic roots.

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Participants generally agree on the methods used for factorization, but there is no consensus on the overall approach or whether the methods will always apply to similar polynomials. Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the techniques discussed.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of the polynomial and the methods used for factorization, which may not hold universally. The reliance on the rational roots theorem and the specific structure of the polynomial are noted as potential limitations.

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Factor $30x^4-41x^3y-129x^2y^2+100xy^3+150y^4$.
Please help me get started. I tried grouping the terms but still can't see any factorization that is familiar to me.

Thanks.
 
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paulmdrdo said:
Factor $30x^4-41x^3y-129x^2y^2+100xy^3+150y^4$.

Consider $$P_y(x)=30x^4+(-41y)x^3+(-129y^2)x^2+(100y^3)x+150y^4$$ as a polynomial in $x$ and $y$ as a parameter Suppose there are roots of the form $x=ky$. Then, $$P_y(ky)=\left(30k^4-41k^3-129k^2+100k+150\right)y^4=0.$$ Consider the equation $$30k^4-41k^3-129k^2+100k+150=0.$$ Using the theorem of the rational roots we get $k=-3/2$ and $k=5/3$, so $x=-(3/2)y$ and $x=(5/3)y$ are roots of $P_y(x)$ for all $y$, so: $$P_y(x)=\left(x+\frac{3}{2}y\right)\left(x-\frac{5}{3}y\right)q(x,y).$$ Could you continue?
 
I'm still not sure how to continue from there. Do I need to use rational roots theorem?

And What do you call that method? Does this always work on the polynomials that has the same form I posted?
 
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paulmdrdo said:
I'm still not sure how to continue from there. Do I need to use rational roots theorem?

Using the Ruffini Algorithm for the root $x=-\dfrac{3}{2}y$
$$\begin{array}{r|rrrrr}
& 30 & -41y & -129y^2 & 100y^3 & 150y^4 \\
-\dfrac{3}{2}y & & -45y & 129y^2 & 0 & -150y^4 \\
\hline & 30 & -86y & 0 & 100y^3 & 0\end{array}$$
This implies $$p(x,y)=\left(x+\frac{3}{2}y\right)(\underbrace{30x^3-86yx^2+100y^3}_{Q(x,y)}).$$
Now, decompose $Q(x,y)$ in the same way with the root $x=\dfrac{5}{3}y$.

paulmdrdo said:
And What do you call that method? Does this always work on the polynomials that has the same form I posted?

No name, this is a strategy in this particular case, based in the fact that the polynomial is homogeneous, testing linear factors, and all of this with the "hope" that the equation in $k$ has rational roots.
 
I,ve decided to complete the solution:

Applying the Ruffini algorithm to $Q_1(x,y)$: $$\begin{array}{r|rrrrr}
& 30 & -86y & 0 & 100y^3 \\
\dfrac{5}{3}y & & 50y & -60y^2 & -100y^3 \\
\hline & 30 & -36y & -60y^2 & 0 \end{array}$$ $$\Rightarrow P(x,y)=\left(x+\frac{3}{2}y\right)(\underbrace{30x^3-86yx^2+100y^3}_{Q_1(x,y)})$$ $$=\left(x+\frac{3}{2}y\right)\left(x-\frac{5}{3}y\right)\left(30x^2-36yx-60y^2\right)$$ $$=\dfrac{1}{6}(2x+3y)(3x-5y)\left(30x^2-36yx-60y^2\right)$$ $$=(2x+3y)(3x-5y)\left(5x^2-6yx-10y^2\right).$$
Let us now factorice $Q_2(x,y)=5x^2-6yx-10y^2$. Solving the quadratic equation on $x$: $$5x^2-6yx-10y^2=0,\quad x=\dfrac{6y\pm \sqrt{236y^2}}{10}=\dfrac{6y\pm 2\sqrt{59}y}{10},$$ $$x=\dfrac{3+\sqrt{59}}{5}y,\quad x=\dfrac{3-\sqrt{59}}{5}y$$ So, we can write:
$$\boxed{\; P(x,y)=5(2x+3y)(3x-5y)\left(x-\dfrac{3+\sqrt{59}}{5}y\right)\left(x-\dfrac{3-\sqrt{59}}{5}y\right)\;}$$
 

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