What Is the Highest Redshift for Star Formation?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gas temperature, cooling, and star formation in the context of redshift. Participants are exploring how these concepts interconnect, particularly in relation to the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and the conditions necessary for star formation at various redshifts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the necessary conditions for star formation, particularly the role of gas temperature and cooling. There is discussion about the relevance of redshift in this context, with some suggesting the use of Friedmann equations and others seeking clarification on the relationship between temperature and redshift.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the underlying physics and the equations needed to analyze the problem. Some have provided insights into the relationship between temperature and redshift, while others express confusion about the procedure to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific temperatures and redshifts, as well as the implications of the CMB on gas behavior. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on how these factors influence star formation, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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If gas has to be cooled below, say, 100 K, in order for stars to form, what is the highest redshift
for star formation?

What would be the necessary equations to solve this problem??
 
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I don't understand. In order for stars to form, you need enough hydrogen at and a sufficiently high temperature, in the order of millions of degrees. What does this have to do with redshifts, or cooling the gas?
 
It's somehow relating it to the CMB, What I'm not understanding is the procedure to solve the question. Do I use Friedmann equations?

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Gas temperature and star formation. Gas, immersed in the CMB photon bath
continuously, behaves like the Earth in problem 1 and is heated up to a temperature
comparable to the CMB temperature. CMB photons are a blackbody with temperature 
3000K at a redshift of 1100. And the blackbody has been cooling down as T(t) / 1=a(t),
since the expansion of the universe redshifts the wavelengths of CMB photons. If gas has
to be cooled below, say, 100 K, in order for stars to form, what is the highest redshift
for star formation? For reference, the galactic halo star HD 1523-0901 is determined to
have an age of 13:2 Gyrs, corresponding to a redshift of approx 10 in our current cosmological
model.
 
damasgate said:
If gas has to be cooled below, say, 100 K, in order for stars to form, what is the highest redshift
for star formation?

What would be the necessary equations to solve this problem??
You only need to know the redshift and temperature at one point, and the fact that temperature scales linearly with redshift (well, z+1). That is, if you halve the redshift, you halve the temperature.

This sort of idea is sensible, by the way, because a hot gas will not collapse to form stars. A gas needs to cool sufficiently before its atoms are slow enough to fall into gravitational potential wells.
 

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