What is the Ideal Gas Law in Space?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Ideal Gas Law in the context of a nebula containing a low-density gas heated to a high temperature. Participants are attempting to calculate the pressure of the gas in atmospheres using the Ideal Gas Law, while addressing unit conversions and the appropriate gas constant.

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate pressure using the Ideal Gas Law, questioning the use of specific gas constants and unit conversions. Some express confusion about the calculations and the correct application of the gas constant.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the correct approach to the problem, with some participants providing alternative calculations and questioning assumptions about the gas constant. While some progress has been made in understanding the calculations, there is no explicit consensus on the final answer.

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Participants note the challenge of unit analysis in these types of problems and express frustration with the complexity of the calculations involved. There is mention of discrepancies in previous answers and the need for clarity on the appropriate gas constant to use.

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Homework Statement



A nebula-a region of the galaxy where new stars are forming-contains a very tenuous gas with 100 atoms/cm^3. This gas is heated to 7500 K by ultraviolet radiation from nearby stars. Put the answer in atmospheres.

Homework Equations



pV=nRT
R=8.31
n=N/NA
NA = 6.02*10^23
N/V = number density


The Attempt at a Solution



100 = N/V
100V=N
100V=nNA
100V/NA = n
p=nRT/V
P= 100V/NART
P=(((100(1*10^-6))/(6.02*10^23))(8.31)(7500))/(1*10^-6)

P=1*10^-17 Pascals = 1*10^-22 atm


Not where where I went wrong.
 
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Why are you dividing by 1*10^-6?

N/v = 100 atoms/cm^3 = 0.0001 atoms/m^3
n/v = (.0001 atoms/m^3)*(1/(6.022*10^23 atoms/mol))=1.66*10^-28 mol/m^3
p=(n/v)rt=(1.66*10^-28 mol/m^3)(8.314 J/mol*K)(7500 K)=1.04*10^-23 Pa = 1.03*10^-28 atm.
 
Actually 1.03*10^-28 atm was the first answer I used in mastering physics and got it wrong.

I was going along the lines pV=nRT so p=(nRT)/V = ((100V/NA)RT)/V, and V=1*10^-6 m^3
 
Oops. We're both using the wrong gas constant. The units don't work out.
 
Isn't there just Boltzmann's Constant which equals the gas constant R divided by Avogrado's number, which we divided the gas constant by avogrado's number in the problem when multiply n and R.
 
I'm losing it. :cry:

The answer wants atmospheres so just use a gas constant with atmospheres. R=0.0821 L*atm*K^-1*mol^-1.

n=1.66*10^-22 mol/cm^3 = 1.66*10^-19 mol/L.
p=(1.66*10^-19 mol/L)(0.0821 L*atm*K^-1*mol^-1)(7500 K)

Moles cancel, liters cancel, Kelvin cancel, and you get atmospheres.

p = 1.02*10^-16 atm.

I hate these types of problems. More on getting caught up in unit analysis than actually solving a problem.
 
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That works out pretty straightforward with the R=0.0821 L*atm*K^-1*mol^-1. Thanks a ton. I'm wondering how we get that number for R. Is it just a given, like 8.31 we're supposed to just know when we do problems? My physics text doesn't mention any other values for R, and I can't remember the professor mentioning it either.
 

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