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The discussion revolves around finding the length of side DC in trapezium ABCD, given certain dimensions and the area of the trapezium. Participants explore various methods to derive the length of DC, including algebraic manipulation and geometric reasoning.

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  • One participant sets up the problem using the area formula for a trapezium, leading to expressions for height (h) and the lengths of sides AB and DC.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach by letting DC be represented as u and deriving relationships between the sides and height.
  • Several participants engage in algebraic manipulations to express h in terms of x and derive quadratic equations to solve for x.
  • There is a discussion about the correct interpretation of the square root of 19 and its implications for finding x and subsequently DC.
  • One participant expresses confusion about a factor of 2 in the calculations related to DC, prompting clarifications from others.

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Participants generally agree on the methods to derive the length of DC but express differing interpretations of certain steps, particularly regarding the factor of 2 and the relationships between variables. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of a definitive consensus on the most straightforward approach.

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Some participants note missing assumptions or steps in their calculations, particularly regarding the height and the relationships between the sides of the trapezium. There is also mention of potential confusion in variable representation.

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In the trapezium ABCD shown in the figure, AB = (x + 3) cm, DC = (2x − 3) cm and BE = EC. If the area of the trapezium is 15 cm2, find the length of DC to the nearest first decimal place.

Take $\sqrt{19}$ = $4.36$

Have I done correctly,

Okay first we know that area of a trapezium

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))h}{2}$
$h=(2x-3) -(x+3)$ $h=2x-3 -1(x+3)$
$h=2x-3 -x-3$
$h=x-3 -3$
$h=x-6$

, Correct ?

Many Thanks :)
 

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$$\dfrac{(2x-3+x+3)h}{2}=15\implies hx=10$$

and

$$2x-3-h=x+3$$

Can you continue?
 
$2x−3−h=x+3$

As I have found earlier,

greg1313 said:
$$2x-3-h=x+3$$

Can you continue?
$h=x−6$

$$\therefore$$ $2x−3-x-3=h$, $x-6=h$

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))h}{2}$

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))*(x-6)}{2}$

$30= {(3x)*(x-6)}$
$30= {(3x^2-18x)}$

$10= {(x^2-6x)}$

Okay from there on I will factor using complete the square method,

$10+ \frac{b}{2}^2= {(x^2-6x)+\frac{b}{2}^2}$

$10+ \frac{-6}{2}^2= {(x^2-6x)+\frac{-6}{2}^2}$

$10+ 9= {(x^2-6x)+9}$

$19 = {(x^2-6x)+9}$

Now factorising

$$\sqrt{19}$$= $\sqrt{(x-3)^2}$

The problem has given the value of $$\sqrt{19}$$= 4.36;

$$4.36$$= $(x-3)$
$$4.36$$= $(x-3)$
$$7.36$$= $x$

Now have I done correct ? :)
 
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$$hx=10\implies h=\dfrac{10}{x}$$

$$2x-3-h=x+3$$

$$2x-3-\dfrac{10}{x}=x+3$$

$$2x^2-3x-10=x^2+3x$$

$$\implies x^2-6x-10=0$$

$$\implies x=\dfrac{6+\sqrt{76}}{2}=3+\sqrt{19}$$

$$2x-3=2(3+\sqrt{19})-3=3+2\sqrt{19}\approx11.7\text{ cm.}$$
 
$2x-3=2(3+\sqrt{19})-3=3+2\sqrt{19}\approx11.7\text{ cm.}$. A Little explanation here please? :)

Many Thanks :)
 
Another approach would be to let:

$$\overline{DC}=u$$

thus:

$$\overline{AB}=\frac{u+9}{2}$$

Now compute the area two ways:

$$A=\frac{h}{2}(u+9)+\frac{1}{2}h^2=\frac{h}{2}(u+h+9)$$

$$A=\frac{h}{2}\left(u+\frac{u+9}{2}\right)=\frac{h}{2}\left(\frac{3u+9}{2}\right)$$

Hence:

$$3u+9=2u+2h+18$$

$$h=\frac{u-9}{2}$$

Thus:

$$\frac{u-9}{8}(3u+9)=15$$

$$(u-9)(u+3)=40$$

$$u^2-6u-67=0$$

Taking the positive root, we obtain:

$$u=3+2\sqrt{19}$$
 
:),
Hi but I cannot still understand $\displaystyle u=3+2\sqrt{19}$ .

:):)
 
mathlearn said:
In the trapezium ABCD shown in the figure, AB = (x + 3) cm, DC = (2x − 3) cm and BE = EC.
If the area of the trapezium is 15 cm2, find the length of DC to the nearest first decimal place.

Take $\sqrt{19}$ = $4.36$

Have I done correctly,

Okay first we know that area of a trapezium

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))h}{2}$
$h=(2x-3) -(x+3)$ $h=2x-3 -1(x+3)$
$h=2x-3 -x-3$
$h=x-3 -3$
$h=x-6$

, Correct ?

Many Thanks :)
There is a simpler way to find h = BE.

Note that DE = AB = x+3.

Also: \underbrace{DC}_{2x-3} \:=\: \underbrace{DE}_{x+3} + EC

Hence, EC = BE= x-6
 
mathlearn said:
:),
Hi but I cannot still understand $\displaystyle u=3+2\sqrt{19}$ .

:):)

Where did I lose you? :)
 
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:) So far I have found the height or 'h' but after factoring using the complete the square method i get the square root of 19 or 4.36 as x-3 so I find that x is 7.36 But I know I have missed a factor 2 on the of $\sqrt{19}$.

I want to know where does that 2 come from and why I am missing it?

Many Thanks :)
 
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mathlearn said:
$2x−3−h=x+3$

As I have found earlier,

$h=x−6$

$$\therefore$$ $2x−3-x-3=h$, $x-6=h$

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))h}{2}$

$15 = \dfrac{((x+3)+(2x-3))*(x-6)}{2}$

$30= {(3x)*(x-6)}$
$30= {(3x^2-18x)}$

$10= {(x^2-6x)}$

Okay from there on I will factor using complete the square method,

$10+ \frac{b}{2}^2= {(x^2-6x)+\frac{b}{2}^2}$

$10+ \frac{-6}{2}^2= {(x^2-6x)+\frac{-6}{2}^2}$

$10+ 9= {(x^2-6x)+9}$

$19 = {(x^2-6x)+9}$

Now factorising

$$\sqrt{19}$$= $\sqrt{(x-3)^2}$

The problem has given the value of $$\sqrt{19}$$= 4.36;

$$4.36$$= $(x-3)$
$$4.36$$= $(x-3)$
$$7.36$$= $x$

Now have I done correct ? :)

You have correctly found $x$. $\overline{DC}=2x-3=2(7.36)-3=14.72-3=11.72$.

mathlearn said:
:) So far I have found the height or 'h' but after factoring using the complete the square method i get the square root of 19 or 4.36 as x-3 so I find that x is 7.36 But I know I have missed a factor 2 on the of $\sqrt{19}$.

I want to know where does that 2 come from and why I am missing it?

Many Thanks :)

The '2' comes from $\overline{DC}=2(3+\sqrt{19})-3=6+2\sqrt{19}-3=3+2\sqrt{19}$. You're confusing $x$ and $\overline{DC}$.
 
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