What is the Method for Finding the Local Minimum of a Function?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the function f(x) = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) / (1 + x^3 - x^6) has a local minimum at x = 0. Participants explore the necessary conditions for local minima, particularly focusing on the behavior of the first and second derivatives at that point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the requirement that f'(0) = 0 for a local minimum and consider different methods of differentiation. There are questions about the validity of using a geometric series expansion and the conditions under which it converges. Some suggest that simply deriving the function once and checking the second derivative might suffice. Others question the implications of the function's structure regarding its positivity near x = 0.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing insights and clarifications. Some have offered alternative perspectives on the problem, such as the relationship between the function's form and its derivatives. There is no explicit consensus yet, as various interpretations and methods are still being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the hint provided in the original problem regarding the Taylor Expansion, which influences their approaches. There are also discussions about the convergence of series and the implications of the function's behavior near x = 0.

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Homework Statement



Show that the function [tex]f(x) = \frac{x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}}{1 + x^3 - x^6}[/tex] has a local minimum at x = 0.

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If f is to have a local minimum at x = 0 then we must have f'(0) = 0. Without typing up the tedious calculations, is this the correct procedure:

[tex]f(x) = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) \frac{1}{1 - (x^3 +x^6)}[/tex]. Let [tex]u = x^3 + x^6[/tex]. Then [tex]f(x) = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) \frac{1}{1-u} = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) (1 + u + u^2 + ...)[/tex].

I can differentiate this using the product rule (and differentiate the expression on the right hand side term by term) or I can multiply both brackets and then differentiate term by term, remembering that u is a function of x. It seems to me for that f'(x), every term will be of the form x^i for some integer i, and so f'(0) = 0??
 
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When you wrote this: [tex]f(x) = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) \frac{1}{1-u} = (x^8 + 9x^9 - 12x^{13}) (1 + u + u^2 + ...)[/tex] --- how did you know that [tex]|u| = |x^3 + x^6| < 1[/tex] in order for the convergent geometric series as you had defined holds?
 
There is some neighborhood about x = 0 such that |x^3 + x^6| < 1.

EDIT: To be more specific, |x^3 + x^6| <= |x^3| + |x^6|. It's possible to find x values close enough to 0 so that both |x^3| and |x^6| are less than 1/2 and so |x^3| + |x^6| < 1.
 
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Dick, if you're reading this, as I was making my reply to fmam3, I noticed your post. How come you deleted it?
 
Can't you just derive once to make sure f'(0)=0 and derive a second time to check f''(0)>0? And for the record [tex]\frac{1}{1+x^{3}-x^{6}}\neq\frac{1}{1-(x^{3}+x^{6})}[/tex].
 
JG89 said:
Dick, if you're reading this, as I was making my reply to fmam3, I noticed your post. How come you deleted it?

I deleted it because it was incomplete and I was too tired to fix it. Sorry. But your function can be written as f(x)=x^8*p(x), where p(x) is positive in a neighborhood of x=0, right? Doesn't that show f(x) has a local minimum at x=0 without even worrying about any derivatives or infinite series? f(0)=0 at x=0 and is nonzero otherwise in the neighborhood.
 
Damn, that's simple. Thanks Dick. The question said beside it "Hint: Taylor Expansion" so I figured I'd use an infinite series, but that's way more complicated.

Just one question though, since I can write the infinite series as [tex](x^8 +9x^9 - 12x^{13})(1 + u + u^2 + ...), u = x^6 - x^3[/tex], then the term with the smallest exponent would be x^8 after multiplying through, and so f'(0) = f''(0) = 0. Since there is a local minimum at x = 0, shouldn't the second derivative be positive at x = 0?
 
JG89 said:
Damn, that's simple. Thanks Dick. The question said beside it "Hint: Taylor Expansion" so I figured I'd use an infinite series, but that's way more complicated.

Just one question though, since I can write the infinite series as [tex](x^8 +9x^9 - 12x^{13})(1 + u + u^2 + ...), u = x^6 - x^3[/tex], then the term with the smallest exponent would be x^8 after multiplying through, and so f'(0) = f''(0) = 0. Since there is a local minimum at x = 0, shouldn't the second derivative be positive at x = 0?

Mmm, no. If the second derivative is positive it's a minimum. That doesn't mean if it's a minimum then the second derivative is positive. Look at f(x)=x^8.
 
Ah, I see. Once again, thanks for the help!
 

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