What is the mistake in my calculation for the weight of a tapered column?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the weight of a tapered column at a specific distance from the top. The problem involves a trapezoidal cross-section with given dimensions and specific weight, and participants are trying to understand the correct formulation of the weight equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the geometry of the trapezoidal cross-section and the implications of varying dimensions as they move along the height of the column. Questions arise about the definitions of the bases and how they change with respect to the distance x.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the dimensions of the trapezoid and the calculation of the area. Some participants have provided clarifications and reformulations of the problem, while others are questioning specific assumptions and definitions. No consensus has been reached yet regarding the correct formulation of the weight equation.

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Participants are working with a specific weight and dimensions that may not be fully clear to all. There are indications of confusion regarding the bases of the trapezoid and how they relate to the variable x, which is central to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Folks,

Ask to calculate the weight ##W(x)## of this tapered column at a distance x from the top as shown in the sketch.

Homework Equations


Given:
A trapezoid of bottom base 1.5m, top is 0.5m, length is 0.5m and height 2m.

Specific weight is 25kN/m^3

Area of trapezoid ##A=\displaystyle \frac{h(b_1+b_2)}{2}##

The Attempt at a Solution



I have just repeated what is in the sketch for clarity.
Weight ##W(x)=V* \gamma## where ##\gamma## is the specific weight.

Area ##A= \frac{x}{2}(b_1+b_2)##
##V= A*L##

Thus ##W(x)=\frac{x}{2}(b_1+b_2)*L*25##

The book answer is ##\displaystyle W(x)= 0.5\frac{0.5+(0.5+0.5x)}{2}x*25##

I don't understand how there x is repeated twice in the above expression.

What have I done wrong?

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It is unclear what is given and what you are supposed to find. Please formulate the problem properly.
 
voko said:
It is unclear what is given and what you are supposed to find. Please formulate the problem properly.


I have reformulated the question as requested. Thanks
 
What is the cross-section of the column? Circle? Square? Something else?
 
voko said:
What is the cross-section of the column? Circle? Square? Something else?

I have attached the geometry of the problem. It has a front view and the rectangular side view.

Thanks
 

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OK, now it is all clear.

Let's start with the trapezoid "face" from 0 to x. What is its area? More specifically, what are its bases?
 
voko said:
OK, now it is all clear.

Let's start with the trapezoid "face" from 0 to x. What is its area? More specifically, what are its bases?

Area of a quadrilateral with 1 pair of parallel sides is ##\displaystyle A(x)=x \frac{(b_1+b_2)}{2} ##

where ##b_1## is the bottom base and ##b_2## is the top base say..
 
What is the bottom base for some arbitrary x?
 
voko said:
What is the bottom base for some arbitrary x?

Not sure I follow.

The bottom base ##b_1## is 1.5m...?
 
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It is 1.5 only for x = 2.0. For x < 2.0, it is less than that. What is it exactly?
 
  • #11
voko said:
It is 1.5 only for x = 2.0. For x < 2.0, it is less than that. What is it exactly?

##A(x)=f(b_2, 0.5<b_1(x) \le 1.5)##

Not sure what ##b_2## would be exactly for some value of x! ##b_2=0.5+x##..?
 
  • #12
As can be seen from the drawing, b(x) is a linear function of x. b(0) = 0.5, b(2) = 1.5. That is enough to determine it.
 
  • #13
voko said:
As can be seen from the drawing, b(x) is a linear function of x. b(0) = 0.5, b(2) = 1.5. That is enough to determine it.

Sorry, still don't see how the area can be calculated for some x because we don't know what the length of ##b_2## is apart from it being greater than 0.5 and less than 2...
 
  • #14
Do you see that b(x) - b(0) is proportional to x?
 
  • #15
voko said:
Do you see that b(x) - b(0) is proportional to x?

No, doesn't make me see the answer! I was thinking of it another way. Just take a copy of that sketch and rotate it 180degrees and put it beside it gives a parallegrom of area ##h(b_1+b_2)##. We only need half of that so then actual area is ##h \frac{(b_1+b_2)}{2}##

Finally, repace the h with x to give ##A(x)= \frac{x}{2} (b_1+b_2)##

Im baffled by such a simple problem!
 
  • #16
Try something else. Rotate the column 90 degree counterclockwise, so that the bottom is on the right, and align it so that the middle of the column is on the X axis, and the top is at x = 0. What used to be the rightmost edge of the column is now a line above the X axis. It is a straight line. What is its equation?
 
  • #17
voko said:
Try something else. Rotate the column 90 degree counterclockwise, so that the bottom is on the right, and align it so that the middle of the column is on the X axis, and the top is at x = 0. What used to be the rightmost edge of the column is now a line above the X axis. It is a straight line. What is its equation?

That helps. The length of the bottom base ##b_1## is given by

##b_1(x)=2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)##

Thus the area of the trapezoid is ##\displaystyle A(x)=\frac{x}{2} (b_1+b_2)=\frac{x}{2} (2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)+b_2)##...?
 
  • #18
bugatti79 said:
That helps. The length of the bottom base ##b_1## is given by

##b_1(x)=2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)##

Thus the area of the trapezoid is ##\displaystyle A(x)=\frac{x}{2} (b_1+b_2)=\frac{x}{2} (2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)+b_2)##...?

Correct.
 
  • #19
bugatti79 said:
That helps. The length of the bottom base ##b_1## is given by

##b_1(x)=2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)##

Thus the area of the trapezoid is ##\displaystyle A(x)=\frac{x}{2} (b_1+b_2)=\frac{x}{2} (2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)+b_2)##...?

Ok, so the volume becomes ##\displaystyle A(x)*L=\frac{x}{2} (2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)+b_2)*L##

The weight ##W(x)## is the volume times the specific weight ie ## \displaystyle V (m^3) *\gamma (kN/m^3)= \frac{x}{2} (2(\frac{1}{4} x+0.25)+b_2)*0.5*25kN/m^3##

If we let x=1m we get ##W(x)=0.375kN## whereas the book has ##W(x)= 6.25(1+.05x)x=9.375kN##..?
 
  • #20
You made a mistake in arithmetic somewhere. Your formula is correct.
 

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