What is the name of this field of science please?

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The discussion revolves around identifying a specific field of science that relates mathematical and physical concepts to patterns observed in nature, particularly in terms of scaling and correspondence between biological systems and larger systems, such as cities and ecosystems. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of mathematics and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a concept where biological systems, like blood circulation, correspond to larger systems, such as city infrastructure and natural water systems.
  • Another suggests "scale invariance and self-similarity" as a potential term for the field in question.
  • Some participants propose "similitude" and "numerology" but express uncertainty about their relevance.
  • One participant mentions "biological scaling" or "allometric scaling" as terms that might fit the description, relating to the comparison of sizes and functions in biological systems.
  • A later reply references the book "Chaos: Making a New Science" by James Gleick, discussing self-similarity in natural structures and the distinction between chaotic systems and random behavior.
  • Another participant suggests "allometry" as a possible name for the science being described, providing a link to further information.

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Participants express various hypotheses and terms related to the field in question, but there is no consensus on a single term that accurately captures the concept being discussed. Multiple competing views remain, with some participants suggesting different terms and others questioning their relevance.

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Some terms proposed, such as "numerology" and "pseudoscience," are met with skepticism, indicating a potential misunderstanding or misalignment with the scientific concepts being sought. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and assumptions about the relationships between biological and larger systems.

Jamesgough007
Hi,

I'm sorry if this isn't explained very well, but I'm hoping someone can remind me of this field of what I think was maths or physics.

I read that people had calculated that things in nature like the amount of blood in our bodies and the length of all the arteries and capillaries for instance. correspond to the equivalent on a larger sale - the veins equal the length of roads in a city or the rivers in the world. And the amount of blood on a larger scale equals the amount of water in the rivers. That we have heartbeats and the cities have heart beats but only two a day which is rush hour and more recently, NASA has released videos of what they call the Earth breathing as it goes through the seasons in the year.

This can then be taken further to include the solar system and universe.

I remember that some clever people had calculated the maths for this and it seemed to be demonstrated in many areas of nature.

Can anyone tell me what that is called and point me to a page.

You'll see by my description so far that the mighty Google might fail in serving me the correct links with this one. But then I couldn't really blame it.

Thanks,

James
 
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Similitude ?
 
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Thanks, but none of those are the exact field I'm referring to.
 
No, not fractals, sorry, but thanks for posting.
 
Jamesgough007 said:
I read that people had calculated that things in nature like the amount of blood in our bodies and the length of all the arteries and capillaries for instance. correspond to the equivalent on a larger sale - the veins equal the length of roads in a city or the rivers in the world. And the amount of blood on a larger scale equals the amount of water in the rivers. That we have heartbeats and the cities have heart beats but only two a day which is rush hour and more recently, NASA has released videos of what they call the Earth breathing as it goes through the seasons in the year.

This can then be taken further to include the solar system and universe.
Numerology?

Pseudoscience?
 
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berkeman said:
Numerology?

Pseudoscience?

Guffaw!
 
Perhaps you mean:
biological scaling
or
allometric scaling
Among other things, these compare sizes and function of things like blood vessels.
 
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Self affinity?
Some of the things you've listed are discussed in the book, "Chaos: Making a New Science," by James Gleick. In it he talks about self similarity of various structures, such as the branches of rivers, the bronchial structure of lungs, the arteries and veins in animals, veins in plant leaves, and the shapes of coastlines at different scales. He also makes a distinction between chaotic systems versus random behavior.

He also discusses things with fractional dimension (Benoit Mandelbrot coined the term "fractal" out of this), such as Koch snowflake, Sierpinski sponge, and others.
 
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I think the name of this Science is Allometrics or Allometry.

E.g. https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/allometry-the-study-ofbiological-scaling-13228439
 
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