What is the need for introducing the concept of G.P.E?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity and utility of the concept of gravitational potential energy (G.P.E) in physics. Participants explore its role in explaining phenomena related to gravitational forces, work done against gravity, and its applications in problem-solving scenarios.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the need for G.P.E, suggesting that the force of gravity alone could explain why objects fall when lifted.
  • Others argue that G.P.E is a useful tool for calculating final speeds in scenarios like rolling a ball down a ramp, simplifying the analysis by focusing on height rather than forces.
  • One participant emphasizes that G.P.E is introduced to account for the work done against gravitational force when lifting an object, linking work to energy changes.
  • Another participant notes that G.P.E is particularly useful when considering interactions involving small masses compared to the Earth, as energy is fully converted back to kinetic energy when returning to the original position.
  • A later reply provides an example where G.P.E simplifies calculations for a trolley on a wavy ramp, contrasting it with the complexity of using force-based calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of G.P.E, with some advocating for its usefulness in simplifying calculations while others question its fundamental necessity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall need for the concept.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in using force-based approaches, particularly in complex scenarios, while others focus on the conceptual underpinnings of G.P.E without reaching a consensus on its necessity.

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What is the need of introducing the concept of gravitational potential energy in physics? Can't we simply say that when an object is lifted up it falls down because of the force of gravity acting on it instead of saying that it has G.P.E and so it is falls down?
 
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It is a useful tool in a lot of situations. For example, if you roll a ball down a ramp (or drop it off a cliff), you can easily figure out the final speed with only the height of the ramp (ignoring rotational inertia, drag and other losses).
 
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Yes you are right, if a body is lifted up, it falls down due to gravitational pull.

I think GPE is introduced to explain the work done in the process.
A body cannot lift itself up on its own. You have to do work against the gravitational force to lift the body up. Now, whenever work is done, there has to be some kind of energy involved somewhere (workdone = change in energy).
The work you did should be stored in the object which is the GPE.
 
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G.P.E. is so usefull because the mass of objects is so small compared to the mass of the Earth that all the energy in the gravitational interaction comes back to the object, so, when a particle returns to its original possition (let's said it the zero height), all the potential energy is converted into kinetic energy.

This is not the case if we calculate the G.P.E. between two bodies with a mass of the same order of magnitude.
 
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What is the need of introducing the concept of gravitational potential energy in physics? Can't we simply say that when an object is lifted up it falls down because of the force of gravity acting on it instead of saying that it has G.P.E and so it is falls down?

Let me give an example where GPE helps you where Force is very inconvenient. A trolley rolls down a frictionless ramp that has a wavy profile (like some children's slides). You want to know its speed at the bottom.
To work it out using forces you need to calculate the component of gravity that's acting down the variable slope at every point and to integrate the acceleration over the whole trip.
Using GPE considerations, all you need to do is to equate the KE at the bottom with the lost GPE.
Half m vsquared = mgh
Solve for v and you're done. No calculus. Just two lines of working.
 
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