What is the Order of Elements in Groups and Its Isomorphic Types?

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The discussion revolves around the order of elements in groups and their isomorphic types, specifically focusing on a group G with 8 elements. Participants are analyzing the implications of element orders and exploring the structure of G in relation to known group types.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the order of an element and its implications for the group structure. Questions arise about the meaning of "isomorphic type" and the classification of groups of order 8. There is exploration of potential direct products and their properties.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the classification of groups and the fundamental theorem of finite abelian groups. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between different group structures and the specific characteristics of G, with some expressing confusion about the implications of their findings.

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Participants note that G is a subgroup of U(65) and discuss the constraints of the problem, including the need to express G as an external product of cyclic groups of prime power order. There is mention of distinct subgroups within G and their orders, which may influence the classification of G.

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For part (a), I think since the order of an element g is the smallest integer n such that gn=e, we will have:

8n mod 65 = 1 => n=4

64n mod 65 = 1 => n=2

14n mod 65 =1 => n=2

Am I right so far?

Now for part (b), what is it meant by an "isomorphic type"? And what do I need to do?
 
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It means, I believe the "type" of group that G is isomorphic to. Since G has 8 elements, it is, of course, isomorphic to a group of order [itex]8= 2^3[/itex]. What can you say about groups with exactly 8 elements. How many different "kinds" are there?
 
HallsofIvy said:
It means, I believe the "type" of group that G is isomorphic to. Since G has 8 elements, it is, of course, isomorphic to a group of order [itex]8= 2^3[/itex]. What can you say about groups with exactly 8 elements. How many different "kinds" are there?

Do you mean the following direct products:

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

Is that right?
 
roam said:
Do you mean the following direct products:

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2} \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{2}[/tex]

Is that right?
Yes. Now which of those is your G isomorphic to?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes. Now which of those is your G isomorphic to?

G is a subgroup of U(65), not all of U(65). So I think

[tex]U(65) \cong U(5.13) \cong U(5) \oplus U(13) \cong \mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex]

But the problem is that none of the 3 groups in my previous post will then be isomorphic to [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex]. E.g. since lcm(12,4)=12, [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_{12}[/tex] has elements of order 12, but [tex]\mathbb{Z}_{2^3}[/tex] has no elements of order 12. So they are not isomorphic.

So what is wrong? I'm confused... :confused:
 
HallsofIvy, "by finding the isomorphic type" they mean write G as an external product of cyclic groups of prime power order.

So, G is an abelian group of order 8=23. The fundamental theorem of Finite Abelian Groups implies that either [tex]G \cong \mathbb{Z}_8[/tex] or [tex]\mathbb{Z}_4 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2[/tex] or [tex]\mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2[/tex].

From my work in part (a) I know that G has 2 distinct subgroups of order 2: [tex]\left\langle14 \right\rangle = \{ 1,14 \}[/tex] and [tex]\left\langle 64 \right\rangle= \{ 1,64 \}[/tex], and one subgroup of order 4: [tex]\left\langle 8 \right\rangle = \{ 1,8,57,64 \}[/tex].

Does it follow that G is non-cyclic and [tex]G \cong \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_2 \oplus \mathbb{Z}_4[/tex]? :rolleyes:
 

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