What is the Parametric Vector Equation of a Plane Passing Through Three Points?

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The discussion revolves around finding the parametric vector equation of a plane defined by three points in three-dimensional space. The original poster presents their attempt and expresses confusion over discrepancies with the book's answer.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the parametric equation using a specific formulation involving vectors from the points provided. Some participants suggest that both the original poster's and the book's answers are valid representations of the same plane. Others analyze the conditions under which both equations satisfy the plane's definition.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different parametrizations of the plane and questioning the correctness of vector calculations related to the normal vector. Some guidance has been offered regarding the validity of multiple parametrizations, while others are clarifying the process of calculating the cross product.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the calculation of the normal vector and the correctness of the cross product, with participants examining the steps taken and the assumptions made during the calculations.

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This is a very simple problem but I'm confused because the book's answer is completely different from mine;

Find the parametric vector equation of the plane that passes through the points P(3,1,2), Q(1,3,2) and R(1,1,1).



My attempt at a solution

This is simple, the parametric equations has to be: OX = OP + λPQ + μPR, λ,μ [tex]\in[/tex] R

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}3\\1\\2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\lambda[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}-2\\2\\0\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}-2\\0\\-1\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex]

I'm confident that this is the right answer & here's a diagram of a similar situation.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9168/planezl4.gif

But the correct answer according to the book has to be:

[tex]\lambda[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}3\\1\\2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1\\3\\2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex](1- \lambda -\mu)[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1\\1\\1\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex]

So, what's wrong?
 
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There's nothing wrong. There's an infinite number of ways to parametrize the plane. Both answers are right. If you look at the book answer and combine the lambdas and mus, you'll see that it's OR+lambda*PR+mu*QR. Same thing.
 
I don't see anything wrong. Your "equation" (there's not actually an equals in what you have) is satisfied by each of the three given points when 1) lambda = 0, mu = 0; 2) lambda = 1, mu = 0; 3) lambda = 0, mu=1.

The book's "equation" is also satisfied by various combinations of lambda and mu, each with a value of 0 or 1.
 
Ok thank you. I also have another question:

Find a normal vector to the plane through the points P(2, 0, 2), Q(3, 1, 4) and R(1, 3, 2).

My Attempt:

Parametric vector equation of the plane is;

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}2\\0\\2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\lambda[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1\\1\\2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + [tex]\mu[/tex] [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}-1\\3\\0\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex]


The vectors PQ and PR are two linearly independent direction vectors for the plane. Hence according to a worked example in my book, PQ × PR is a normal vector to the plane. Now the coordinates of PQ = OQ − OP are: (1, 1, 2) and the coordinates of PR = OR − OP are: ( − 1, 3, 0).

(1, 1, 2) × ( − 1, 3, 0) = (-6,4,0)

But this is incorrect. The corrcet answer is that the coordinates of a normal vector are: ( − 6, − 2, 4). What did I do wrong here?
Thanks.
 
What you did was calculate the cross product incorrectly. How did you get (-6, 4, 0)?
 
Hi! Actually I made an error in my previous post. The cross product is defined by;

u × v = [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}i&j&k\\u1&u2&u3\\v1&v2&v3\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] = [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}u2&u3\\v2&v3\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] i - [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}\\u1&u3\\v1&v3\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] j + [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}\\u1&u2\\v1&v2\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] k

So, PQ × PR is;

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}i&j&k\\1&1&2\\-1&3&0\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] = i [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1&2\\3&0\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] - j [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1&2\\-1&0\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex] + k [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc}1&1\\-1&3\end{ar ray}\right)[/tex]

The coordinates of a normal vector are: = (6, -2, 4)

Now, I don't understand why the right answer is supposed to be ( − 6, − 2, 4)! I used the formula so why did I get the wrong answer? How come they got a -6? :rolleyes:
 
[itex]\begin{vmatrix} 1 &2 \\ 3 &0 \end{vmatrix}=(1)(0)-(2)(3)=-6[/itex]

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