What is the path of a particle on an inclined plane with a string attached?

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The discussion revolves around the path of a particle on a rough inclined plane with a string attached, considering the effects of gravity, tension, and friction. Participants explore the conditions under which the particle remains in static equilibrium and the implications for its trajectory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and seeks to determine the trajectory of the particle, emphasizing that it is not a homework question.
  • Another participant suggests adding the force of gravity to the tension in the string to find the total applied force, but does not specify how this relates to the trajectory.
  • Several participants argue that the tension in the string is not constant, which affects the trajectory of the particle.
  • There is a disagreement about whether there is only one trajectory or multiple trajectories based on the starting point of the particle.
  • One participant requests clarification on the type of trajectory (e.g., straight line, parabola) without providing a definitive answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the trajectory, with some asserting that there is only one trajectory while others suggest that multiple non-crossing trajectories may exist depending on the starting position. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the trajectory.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the trajectory type, and there are unresolved questions about the mathematical relationships governing the forces involved.

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Respected experts, I am in need of your help. Here goes the question:
"A particle is placed on a rough plane inclined at an angle theta, where tan θ = μ = coefficient of friction(both static an dynamic). A string attached to the particle passes through a small hole in the plane. The string is pulled so slowly that you may consider the particle to be in static equilibrium at all times. Find the path of the particle on the inclined plane."

This is not a homework type question and requires a great deal of thought.
 

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Hi Lakshya! :wink:

Just add the force of gravity to the tension in the string (as vectors) to get the total applied force. Then subtract the friction.

What do you get? :smile:
 
Sorry, but I think u have done a big mistake, the tension is not constant. And by the way, what we require is trajectory and ur answer doesn't give anything about trajectory of particle.
 
Lakshya said:
Sorry, but I think u have done a big mistake, the tension is not constant. And by the way, what we require is trajectory and ur answer doesn't give anything about trajectory of particle.

That's right, the tension isn't constant.

Adding the vectors should give you the direction (the tangent) at each point on the plane, and linking them should give you all possible trajectories.
 
No, there's only one trajectory.
 
Lakshya said:
No, there's only one trajectory.

No, it depends where you start …

the whole plane will be covered with (non-crossing) trajectories. :wink:
 
well, I just want the name or type of the trajectory like straight line, parabola etc.
 
Lakshya said:
well, I just want the name or type of the trajectory like straight line, parabola etc.

You'll have to do some of the work, at least …

what equation do you get for the direction and magnitude of the force at a typical point? :smile:
 

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