What is the pressure force on the gate at point A?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a rectangular sloping gate in a tank filled with water. The original poster seeks to determine the pressure at a specific point on the gate, referred to as point A, and expresses confusion regarding the relevant equations and concepts, particularly those related to hydrostatic pressure and centroids.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to understand hydrostatic pressure and its calculation, questioning the dimensions and variables involved in the equations. Some express uncertainty about the information provided and its sufficiency for solving the problem.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts related to hydrostatic pressure, with participants offering guidance on the relevant formulas. The original poster is attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem and the necessary calculations, while others are providing insights and prompting further investigation into the assumptions made.

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Participants note the lack of clarity in the problem statement regarding the dimensions and the depth of water in the tank, which are critical for calculating pressure. The original poster mentions that this is a multi-part question, indicating that further calculations regarding force will follow.

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Homework Statement


The following shows a cross section through a tank with a rectangular sloping gate that is 10 m long and 4 m wide (width is measured into the page). The gate is hinged along its top edge and held closed by a force at its bottom edge at A that acts perpendicular to Gate AB. Friction in the hinge and the weight of the gate can be neglected.

What is the pressure at A?

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The Attempt at a Solution


So I had the flu for this and don't quite know where to begin. I know you need to solve for pressure, but the way you do that is very confusing. I know it also involved centroids (I think at least) so I can apply what I'm learning about that (here) once I know what equations and theories to use for water pressure.
 

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The image won't display, and the description doesn't seem to have enough info. Is there liquid in the tank? If so, to what depth? If no liquid, what is providing pressure?
 
That better? Might have been some extension problems (but yes, filled with water, bottom right corner is a straight line through, making essentially a "triangle cut")
 

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That better? Might have been some extension problems (but yes, filled with water, bottom right corner is a straight line through, making essentially a "triangle cut")
Yes, that worked.
Finding the pressure at A is fairly trivial. No need to consider the gate etc., just the tank and the depth of water in it.
Are you sure it's not asking for the force applied to hold the gate shut? Or maybe that's a later part of the question?
 
It is a multi part question with force coming later, yes. But I'm about 50% on finding pressure. I know it involves like γh and stuff, but I can't find anything where someone just up and writes what each number represents and how to use them to find the pressure. So there's always weird dimensions floating around with no explanation as to why.
 
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It is a multi part question with force coming later, yes. But I'm about 50% on finding pressure. I know it involves like γh and stuff, but I can't find anything where someone just up and writes what each number represents and how to use them to find the pressure. So there's always weird dimensions floating around with no explanation as to why.
Then maybe it's best if you post a link to a site that you can't understand and I lead you through it.
 
This problem is actually a practice final I'm working on. That's all the info it gives. I've attached a slide I was looking at too. I understand the 62.4, I understand taking the moment, I understand taking area of something, but there's dimensions thrown in without labels that's confusing me. Like, where do they belong in the equation for water pressure?
 

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You should read about hydro-static pressure and then try again the first question.
For the first question you need only the formula for hydro-static pressure.
 
Ok. So, ρgh. This is in meters, so it's (1000)(9.81)(12.5). 1000 kg/m3, gravity constant, and it's 12.5 meters high. Check. Point B (next question) is 73575 N/m2. In the calculator it goes.

Question 3 (still finding water pressure so I feel it still fits in this thread),
What is the total hydrostatic force acting on the gate?
 
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OK, so now you know the pressure at points A and B, and you can use the same approach to get the pressure at any other location in-between points A and B. You are aware that the pressure acts perpendicular to the gate, correct? With this knowledge, what is the magnitude of the pressure force on the gate, and, in what direction does it act?

Chet
 

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